November 7, 2003, 16:22
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There's not much need for change. If they belong to AQ, they are a problem for penal law.
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November 7, 2003, 16:23
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A headline blared today that our casualties this week were 31 dead.
Ouch.
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November 7, 2003, 16:26
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Settler
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Well honestly, what did you expect?
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“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)
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November 7, 2003, 16:27
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
There's not much need for change. If they belong to AQ, they are a problem for penal law.
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The problem with this that under US law, accused criminals have a right to a lawyer a right to the silence. This is woefully incompatible with our need to interrogate these people.
But what you are suggesting seems to be that we need to change our Constitution rather than to amend international treaties.
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November 7, 2003, 16:42
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Settler
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Well what happens if they remain silent?
Criminal law: no sanction, though incentives for talking possible
Gitmo system: they stay in Gitmo. If they talk, they stay in Gitmo too. Unless you advocate other measures.
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“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)
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November 7, 2003, 16:43
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Torture is expedient for obtaining low level general information from prisoners, it is not efficient for obtaining ongoing, high level, high accuracy information, or any information of a complex nature.
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Which is why the CIA says that they don't use torture as an interrogation technique . . . which isn't the same as saying they don't use torture.
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November 7, 2003, 16:47
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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They're resource limited. If there's no intel to get out of somebody, you just solve the problem or give it away to somone else.
Much more important to get intel out of people who have it.
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November 7, 2003, 16:48
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Well what happens if they remain silent?
Criminal law: no sanction, though incentives for talking possible
Gitmo system: they stay in Gitmo. If they talk, they stay in Gitmo too. Unless you advocate other measures.
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If they talk, and their infor pans out, they get various privileges leading eventually up to their release.
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Bush-Cheney 2008. What's another amendment between friends?
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November 7, 2003, 17:13
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Settler
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Oh, so it's the same as in criminal law, then... 
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