November 13, 2003, 20:10
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Why can't I build Civil Defense?
I have the tech to do it, I built it in one city, but I can't seem to build it in any others. I have barracks in all cities. What's up with that?
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November 13, 2003, 21:06
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I never build them, but it only has two requirements
1-barracks
2-120 gold
If you have both then it should be allowed.
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November 13, 2003, 22:23
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I have both, and they aren't available. I was able to build it one city, that's it.
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November 13, 2003, 23:58
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Do you have Sun Tzu's? IIRC, if a Barracks is provided through a wonder before you built it normally, it doesn't work as a prerequisite for another building or a small wonder.
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November 14, 2003, 13:57
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Originally posted by skywalker
Do you have Sun Tzu's? IIRC, if a Barracks is provided through a wonder before you built it normally, it doesn't work as a prerequisite for another building or a small wonder.
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AHA! That must be it.
Well, that's a pain in the arse. So basically Sun Tzu negates the ability to have civil defenses!
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November 14, 2003, 14:13
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
AHA! That must be it.
Well, that's a pain in the arse. So basically Sun Tzu negates the ability to have civil defenses!
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That would seem to undermine the value of Sun Tzu to a degree... I guess you have to bury your Terra Cotta warriors and embrace the modern era.
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November 14, 2003, 19:05
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Ouch. If it is the case that Sun Tzu makes it impossible to build Civil Defences, this should go in the bug report thread.
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November 14, 2003, 19:28
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Not sure if I would call that a bug... 
perhaps more like a choice... Not every city would need a civil defense, so you just need to build barracks in the cities that do.
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November 14, 2003, 20:16
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Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
Not sure if I would call that a bug...
perhaps more like a choice... Not every city would need a civil defense, so you just need to build barracks in the cities that do.
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The point is that with Sun Tzu's free barracks, you don't have the option of 'actually' building a barracks. Anyhow, this bug is reported to have been fixed in Conquests, presumably because the new Temple of Artemis wonder (free temples) otherwise wouldn't have allowed cathedrals.
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November 14, 2003, 20:19
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Originally posted by Thoth
Ouch. If it is the case that Sun Tzu makes it impossible to build Civil Defences, this should go in the bug report thread.
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This has been known for a long time. It was an intentional "feature", IIRC (I think I remember it appearing in the changes list for one of the original civ3 patches), but it is extrememly annoying.
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November 14, 2003, 21:37
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Not sure what the big need is for civil defense. Your main empire will not need it and the fringe cities can' build it. It is a huge expense, which probably could be replaced with a few extra MI's.
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November 15, 2003, 01:16
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I built Sun Tzu's in my current Conquests game and can build civil defense in cities that never had a "hand made" barracks.
Catt 
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November 15, 2003, 01:21
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Originally posted by Catt
I built Sun Tzu's in my current Conquests game and can build civil defense in cities that never had a "hand made" barracks.
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Yes it has been verified that Sun TZU is not a block to civil defense. So that was reported in error.
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November 15, 2003, 01:50
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Or something else was at play causing them not being able to build. 
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November 15, 2003, 02:21
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I wonder if this was a user mod? Otherwise as I said only two things are required AFAIK. Barracks and 120 gold, if you have the tech.
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November 15, 2003, 11:21
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It is a modified .bic file, but I've not touched either Sun Tzu or the Civil Defense improvement, or barracks...
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November 15, 2003, 11:24
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
It is a modified .bic file, but I've not touched either Sun Tzu or the Civil Defense improvement, or barracks...
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Just to be sure: Do you use PtW or Conquests?
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November 15, 2003, 11:25
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November 15, 2003, 11:26
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Yep! Obviously, they have fixed this bug in Conquests.
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November 17, 2003, 10:16
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Originally posted by lockstep
Yep! Obviously, they have fixed this bug in Conquests.
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hi ,
but the PTW people stay in the cold , ........
a final PTW for the 25 things or so that are left open would be welcome , .......
have a nice day
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