How come the issue of droid slavery is never brought up in star wars?

Vesayen · November 19, 2003, 01:28

These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

Dis · November 19, 2003, 01:28

they have no emotions.

unless you count C3PO as being a pussie

Vesayen · November 19, 2003, 01:30

Thats debatible, but that aside....

Some show self preservation-almost all show unquestionable sentience.

alva · November 19, 2003, 01:32

-Geek-o-meter- is going in the red here..getting dangerously close to exploding..

Lefty Scaevola · November 19, 2003, 01:33

Droids got no tits & ass, so who cares?

monolith94 · November 19, 2003, 01:36

because george lucas is the biggest tool in the world

Mordoch · November 19, 2003, 02:18

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Originally posted by Vesayen
These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

Because everyone knows that Droids are sub-human scum who deserve their place in life.

Obviously its just a fluke the R2-D2 can essentially outsmart Luke Skywalker and appears to express emotions spontaniously...

Dis · November 19, 2003, 02:20

star wars has always been racist. just look closely at the themes.

Timexwatch · November 19, 2003, 02:34

George Lucas is clearly an Anglophobe. Why else would all the head baddies be British?

The Mad Monk · November 19, 2003, 03:55

Because they're so good at it?

Drake Tungsten · November 19, 2003, 03:56

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Why else would all the head baddies be British?

Because Brits can actually act? I wish the good guys were all British, too.

Ned · November 19, 2003, 04:01

Because they are not part of the "force?" There is an explanation of the force in Episode IV that says it is created by "living beings."

Space05us · November 19, 2003, 04:49

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Why else would all the head baddies be British?

its a subtle refrence to the revolutionary war.

seriously, Brits are good at being bad.

Q Classic · November 19, 2003, 10:10

'cause none of them crushed the head of his owner because the owner wanted to decomission him in favor of the newer models.

that, and they didn't get to set up their own city in the middle east.

Vesayen · November 19, 2003, 13:03

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'cause none of them crushed the head of his owner because the owner wanted to decomission him in favor of the newer models.

that, and they didn't get to set up their own city in the middle east.

LOL!!!

MikeH · November 19, 2003, 13:15

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Originally posted by Vesayen
These machines are obviously sentient, some have emotions-they activley dont want to die-yet they are owned as property-even by the good guys.....

It is, see Jabba's treatment of his droids.

The good guys droids are more like loyal servants (originally the concept for them comes from the bickering peasants in Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress).

The Imperial droids and Jabba's droids have restraining bolts fitted which means they have to do what they are ordered, the good guys droids don't.

Japher · November 19, 2003, 13:17

What about the Jawas? Slave trade and all.

Yet, in Episode 1 it was more about enslaving humans, they then switch to droids after the revolt, or whatever.

MikeH · November 19, 2003, 13:20

Yep, first thing they do is put restraining bolts on them, which Luke only removes from artoo to get the message to play.

The Andy-Man · November 19, 2003, 14:10

this is soooo nerdy

Well, it is in a galaxy far far away, so maybe things are different there. Maybe the droids only seeem to have emotions. though C-3PO is clearly more human then some of the humans! though that said, Luke did save their lives, so maybe that is why they are so obediant?

st_swithin · November 19, 2003, 15:33

Every knave must have a slave.

JohnT · November 19, 2003, 15:45

What I don't understand is why the other species in the galaxies, looking at the power structure of Evil, doesn't wipe a certain species from the memory of the Universe:

Emperor: Head Evil. Human. Destroyed the Republic, planets, dreams.

Darth Vader: Second Evil in Charge. Also human. Commander of battleship that destroyed above planets.

Luke Skywalker: Evil in Training. Human again.

Stormtroopers: Didn't see many non-humans there, nor among the Empires hierarchy.

Really, for the good of the galaxy, sterilize this planet now!

Edan · November 19, 2003, 15:45

Forget about droids, how about stop molesting your computers. I mean, how would you liked it if someone was touching you like the way you do when you type?

MikeH · November 19, 2003, 15:50

Depends who it was, and where.

Jac de Molay · November 19, 2003, 15:55

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These machines are obviously sentient

Prove it. Their "emotions" could have been programmed/hard wired. The fact that humans developed attachments to them doesn't make any more human.

That's like saying your dishwasher or toaster is a slave; both are for strictly utilitarian purposes.

st_swithin · November 19, 2003, 16:04

No way, I respect my toaster and it respects me. We have an understanding, my toaster and I.

MikeH · November 19, 2003, 16:26

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Originally posted by Jac de Molay

Prove it. Their "emotions" could have been programmed/hard wired.

Prove that ours aren't.

Jac de Molay · November 19, 2003, 16:35

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Originally posted by MikeH

Prove that ours aren't.

In some cases they are, but the effects of lack of early stimulation on the brain are evident in countless ways.

A droid fresh off the assembly wouldn't suffer from the same lack of stimulation. His personality, and utilatarian traits ( translation, protocol, etc.), are built in, just like software on your hard drive.

MikeH · November 19, 2003, 16:43

Ok, I don't need one way, just one example that proves our emotions aren't pre-programmed. (something like learning that something makes you sad isn't proof, that just means we have a "makes you sad" program which has an editable list of inputs that can trigger it.

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Q Classic · November 19, 2003, 16:49

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Forget about droids, how about stop molesting your computers. I mean, how would you liked it if someone was touching you like the way you do when you type?

it's so easy to keep my computer turned on. besides, there are plenty of times when i fsck the computer, or finger the computer, or touch the computer...

besides, i know where every single one of the computer's buttons are... and i can press them repeatedly until the computer does what i want.

Jac de Molay · November 19, 2003, 17:37

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Originally posted by MikeH
Ok, I don't need one way, just one example that proves our emotions aren't pre-programmed. (something like learning that something makes you sad isn't proof, that just means we have a "makes you sad" program which has an editable list of inputs that can trigger it.

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The fact that our emotions are so perception-driven from moment to moment makes a strong case that we're not "pre-programmed". There's also the fact that we also heavily rely on past experience, and the perception of future outcomes, that shape our emotions.

The droids exhibit very little of that behaviour in the movies, IIRC. For the most part, their "emotional" reactions are taken from human cues about what is threatening, what is pleasing. The only droid, in the entire movies, who exhibits behaviour outside of these bounds is C3PO, and that's decieving because of his built-in duties as protocol/translation droid. For the most part, the rest of the droids in the star wars universe are service automatons, and don't exhibit anything close to sentience.