November 27, 2003, 07:28
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Warlord
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AI giving too much for tech trades?
Not sure if this is a problem or the way it's supposed to be. Anyway, I got a little boost going and got Atomic Theory and Electronics ahead of the AI - researched them but that Wonder that gives 2 techs gave me Replaceable and something else... can't remember.
Anyway the AI had gone up the Commie tree, as usual, and once I built Hoovers, I offered to trade A.Theory 'cause I didn't want to have anything for them to demand. Byzantine (leading civ) offered Fascism, Commie, Ironclads (which was all their tech) PLUS 100gpt for A. Theory. Then 2nd place civ offered everything they had (which was 25gpt and 140g and coal) for the same tech.
This seems a bit excessive? With the gpt bug I now have like 9000g, a ton coming in, research jacked as high as I can...
Did I miss something about the importance of A. theory? Any wonders around it I've already built...
And, as an aside, the game really isn't very fun when you have all this money...
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November 27, 2003, 07:34
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King
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Insane. Like a lot of other C3C issues.
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November 27, 2003, 07:40
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Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
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You could always strip the AIs down to their panties selling Atomic Theory, in plain Civ3 and PtW too. It's an expensive tech and the AI values it very high (and thus, wants it very much) for some reason.
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November 27, 2003, 07:46
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King
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Maybe an "AI devalue tech" flag in the editor?? 
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November 27, 2003, 07:50
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Warlord
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
You could always strip the AIs down to their panties selling Atomic Theory, in plain Civ3 and PtW too. It's an expensive tech and the AI values it very high (and thus, wants it very much) for some reason.
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Oh... I guess I've never researched it ahead of the AI before. Normally I don't have the kind of cash I have this game so I can't afford to research. So, all in all, I guess it relates back to the gpt bug - no excess money, I don't get AT first, I don't see AI's panties...
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November 27, 2003, 07:54
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Atomic Theory just happens to be a very expensive tech, but proportionally not that expensive...
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November 27, 2003, 08:06
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Deity
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I'm sure I would find the same thing, but I have somehow wrecked my rep in the game. It is the other way around for me, with me having to pay Electricity + Industrialisation for just Communism! Stuff that!
And I am thus not getting any gpt either. But even with all that gold, upgrades are COSTLY - I just upgraded about 20 Cats/Trebuchets/Cannons to Arty and spent around 5000 gold! 
Perhaps this gpt "bug" is the developers' way of letting us actually upgrade every now and again...? 
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November 27, 2003, 08:30
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Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
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Originally posted by mimi
Oh... I guess I've never researched it ahead of the AI before.
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Neither have I. The magic word is "Theory of Evolution".
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November 27, 2003, 08:32
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In PTW the AI would always pay through the nose for Scientific Method (even after you had built ToE) and Atomic Theory.
The increased upgrade cost is really affecting my play style. Leonardo's is even more important than before just to make mass upgrades affordable. The increased cost of upgrades also makes civs with a good defensive UU (hoplite, num merc, swiss merc) that skips a step in that upgrade chain a more attractive choice.
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November 27, 2003, 08:33
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Warlord
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I don't think it's a problem.
AT is really beaker-costly, while all commi-tree and ironclads are rather cheap to research. Since AI seems to give AT very low priority, the player will get AT almost always first. That is, you can sell AT at its full price, while all AI have communism tree, they devalue seriously (even AI values those tech much more than their real cost).
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