A lesson for Eurocoms from Bush

Ted Striker · November 30, 2003, 20:57

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Because European countries now resolve differences through negotiation and consensus, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond Europe's borders, in a world where oppression and violence are very real, liberation is still a moral goal, and freedom and security still need defenders.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101031201/nagenda.html

You guys secretly love him, admit it.

reds4ever · November 30, 2003, 21:06

He really is a W@nker isn't he?

Nubclear · November 30, 2003, 21:08

Ha! It's the same article!!!

Monk · November 30, 2003, 21:29

I can't help thinking about how this Eurocom vs. gun-totin' Alabama Man trolling competition must have been going on for about four years now. I realize it's generally not to be taken that seriously, but don't you guys ever get tired of it?

I think that with regards to the Iraq thing, I know this was a London speech, but I think Bush (as well as a couple posters on Apolyton) should acknowledge Europe was genuinely divided on the issue instead of treating it like the socio-political anti-U.S-entity it will hopefully never become. Or to rephrase that, in one form or another, where's my thank you card?

Dauphin · November 30, 2003, 21:31

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Originally posted by Ted Striker

Because European countries now resolve differences through negotiation and consensus, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond Europe's borders, in a world where oppression and violence are very real, liberation is still a moral goal, and freedom and security still need defenders.

Because it has to be done.

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Because the US now resolves differences through oppression and violence, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond the US, in a world where negotiation and consensus building is very real, unilateralism is still an immoral goal, and freedom and security for blind patriotic fervour still needs defenders.

mrmitchell · November 30, 2003, 21:33

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Because European countries now resolve differences through negotiation and consensus, there's sometimes an assumption that the entire world functions in the same way. But let us never forget ... beyond Europe's borders, in a world where oppression and violence are very real, liberation is still a moral goal, and freedom and security still need defenders.

That's got to be one of the most spectacular logical breakdowns I've seen in a while. Thanks Ted.

reds4ever · November 30, 2003, 21:42

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Originally posted by Monk
Or to rephrase that, in one form or another, where's my thank you card?

I'd advise him not to hold his breath......

Monk · November 30, 2003, 21:44

If you're talking about me, well, I'm not awake these late hours because I'm expecting a phone call from Rumsfeld.

Sandman · November 30, 2003, 21:50

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He is a conviction politician, a man who knows what he thinks and couldn't care two hoots for what he doesn't know.

That's nice way of saying he's stupid.

Winston · November 30, 2003, 21:57

Anders had breakfast with Bush, remember? What more could we reasonably ask for.

On a more serious note, the decision to participate in the coalition against a totalitarian and stability threatening regime isn't made because one wants to be congratulated.

Bereta_Eder · November 30, 2003, 22:05

Just another justification to bomb darkies for oil and a not very brilliant at that but no surprise there.

What's this show with the white house? same effect.

DinoDoc · November 30, 2003, 22:22

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Originally posted by paiktis22
Just another justification to bomb darkies for oil

You have your racial slurs mixed up my goatbanging friend. It's the sand niggers that have most of the oil. If you are going to be an offensive jackass at least get your slurs correct.

Bereta_Eder · November 30, 2003, 22:26

Hey don't blame me sweetheart. All the racial slurs I know, I've learned them here at 'Poly mostly courtesy of your compatriots. So all complains should be adressed to them. Secondly I didn't even know it was a slur and thirdly it was written in a way so as to come from little turd's mouth and his ilk , which if nothing else, would be expected.

Winston · November 30, 2003, 22:35

Well, the sky is blue here in my world.

MichaeltheGreat · November 30, 2003, 22:36

OK now, play nice you two...

Bereta_Eder · November 30, 2003, 22:37

Yes Sir!

Tripledoc · November 30, 2003, 23:11

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Originally posted by Winston
Anders had breakfast with Bush, remember? What more could we reasonably ask for.

On a more serious note, the decision to participate in the coalition against a totalitarian and stability threatening regime isn't made because one wants to be congratulated.

That decision was taken not because mr. Fogh is a humanitarian or interested in 'stability'. The government is up to its neck in this because 1) there was no legal grounds for war, in fact it maninpulated all relevant legal documents. 2) it was done to placate the Maersk company, amongs others, who did not want to be excluded from profit making on the war. 3) It was possible because Denmark have not joined the Euro. Fogh will go down on this.

A little history. During the napoleonic wars Denmark supported France. During Tzarist Russia Denmark supported Russia. Under Hitler Denmark supported Germany. One should think that the Danish foreign ministry had learned a little from this. But no they insist on betting on the losing horse time and time again.

Urban Ranger · November 30, 2003, 23:21

Been done.

Winston · November 30, 2003, 23:38

The Danish government is far from being "up to its neck in this", as they have the solid support of the people wrt. Iraq.

As for your "historical" references, they are a) mostly wrong, b) severely generalized and c) completely irrelevant.

Bereta_Eder · November 30, 2003, 23:40

In other words Tripledoc is correct.

Winston · November 30, 2003, 23:41

I have never known Tripledoc to be correct.

Bereta_Eder · November 30, 2003, 23:46

I thought that was your role

It can be easily checked out anyway.

Tripledoc · December 1, 2003, 00:18

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Originally posted by Winston
The Danish government is far from being "up to its neck in this", as they have the solid support of the people wrt. Iraq.

The 'people' is irrelevant when it comes to this particular matter. It is opinions of legal experts and ultimately parlamentarians that matter. A majority of them seems to think that the government has behaved in an underhanded fashion and want to get to the bottom of this affair. if that was not the case there would not be a case for the current investigative commitee.

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As for your "historical" references, they are a) mostly wrong, b) severely generalized and c) completely irrelevant.

Don't tell me that the Danish governent was not pro-Hitler during the war. In fact the 'Liberal' party was the one which was most pro-nazi, since the farmer constituency made a bundle on selling foodstuffs to Germany and in fact saw their real wages rising.

Under Napoleon Denmark followed an anti-British line through and through, even allowing for Spanish mercenaries in Napoleons Army to be stationed in Denmark. The reason was of course that Denmark was a trading nation and was jealous of British dominance of the seas.

Huge contracts on Russian infrastructure such as telegraph lines was made with the Russian Tzar.

So I fail to see how a history of Denmark having supported various repressive regimes for fithy lucre is not relevant to the current situation.

Drake Tungsten · December 1, 2003, 00:22

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You have your racial slurs mixed up my goatbanging friend. It's the sand niggers that have most of the oil. If you are going to be an offensive jackass at least get your slurs correct.

Goatbanging friend? That's ****ing classic.

DinoDoc · December 1, 2003, 00:24

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So I fail to see how a history of Denmark having supported various repressive regimes for fithy lucre is not relevant to the current situation.

They would have followed the French example and supported Saddam in exchange for oil contracts if that were the case.

Oerdin · December 1, 2003, 00:25

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Originally posted by Monk
I can't help thinking about how this Eurocom vs. gun-totin' Alabama Man trolling competition must have been going on for about four years now. I realize it's generally not to be taken that seriously, but don't you guys ever get tired of it?

I think that with regards to the Iraq thing, I know this was a London speech, but I think Bush (as well as a couple posters on Apolyton) should acknowledge Europe was genuinely divided on the issue instead of treating it like the socio-political anti-U.S-entity it will hopefully never become. Or to rephrase that, in one form or another, where's my thank you card?

Most of us are tired of this one trick pony and most of us do recognize that Europe was divided upon the Iraq issue. Unfortunately, a minority of people persist on posting the same boring articles with the same boring premises again and again.

Ted Striker · December 1, 2003, 00:27

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101031201/nagenda.html

Bereta_Eder · December 1, 2003, 00:27

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

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You have your racial slurs mixed up my goatbanging friend. It's the sand niggers that have most of the oil. If you are going to be an offensive jackass at least get your slurs correct.

Goatbanging friend? That's ****ing classic.

See what I mean dinodoc?

Winston · December 1, 2003, 00:28

Tripledoc certainly seems to have a readymade view on Danish affairs.

Too bad it has little to do with the subject of this thread.

Bereta_Eder · December 1, 2003, 00:31

Well Shakespeare knew something.