Spain and Poland can join the United States for all I care

[Harovan]

Germany's population is constant due to large immigration. But the part of native Germans is in the decline, however.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I'm a strong believer of the "one man one vote" doctrine.
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I prefer the one rich man 2 beuatiful women doctrine.




I used to favor a higher ration, but that got excessive as I got older.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
I used to favor a higher ration, but that got excessive as I got older.

At least, you can now improve quality over quantity

[Ecthy]

Brief summary of Polish history:

1772 - partitioned by Prussia, Austria and Russia
1793 - partitioned by Prussia and Russia
1795 - partitioned by Prussia, Austria and Russia
1939 - partitioned by Germany and the Soviet Union
2003 - May - attacked Iraq - December - destroyed Europe

Brief summary of Spanish history:

16th+17th century - killed many Germanic Europeans
2003 - May - attacked Iraq - December - destroyed Europe

Let's face it, we have Panzers, the Poles have kasza, so who's gonna have more say

Where is Horse when you need him for a good Pole troll. But then would I need him for that?

[Solly]

I don't see what's wrong with the current system. It requires 50% of the countries (thus making sure that the small guys like luxemburg don't get shafted) and 60% of the population (meaning that most of the big countries have to agree).

That's not what is holding up the Constitution.

[Solly]

The more France and Germany complain, the more smug I feel.

[chequita guevara]

Y'all need a split legislature, like ours.

[Whoha]

Poland still pretty much bans abortion I think, so they wouldn't want to join the US.

And Germany & France have Birth rates below replacement levels, immigration is what is making up for that.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Y'all need a split legislature, like ours.

There is a split legistature. We have
an unelected executive (the Commission),
an unelected high Chamber (the Council of Ministers, the relatives weight of each member-state was the topic of the quibble)
an elected lower chamber (the European Parliament), whose only real power is to block some of the decisions taken by the high chamber.

As long as our "Senate" will have so much more say than our "House", we'll be stuck with the current system, where any decision requires ages of haggling and is always dumbed down.

[Bereta_Eder]

France doesnt have birth levels below replacement. Actually it is the most "fertile" country of the EU. Italy on the other hand has the most severe problem in this regard and berlu has enancted legislation. Germany also has that problem but not so severe as italy.

[Whoha]

The replacement level about 2.11, France is around 1.85 for 2003, thats still the "most fertile" but its below replacement.

http://www.bartleby.com/151/fr.html#People

[Whoha]

The US is at about 2.07 by the way.

[Bereta_Eder]

2,11 is above replacement

[Whoha]

thats at replacement for developed nations, 2 for mother and father, about .1 to offset infant mortality rates.

In developing countries it must be higher.

[Bereta_Eder]

well whats the infant mortality of france?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by paiktis22
France doesnt have birth levels below replacement. Actually it is the most "fertile" country of the EU. Italy on the other hand has the most severe problem in this regard and berlu has enancted legislation. Germany also has that problem but not so severe as italy.

what type of legislation would that be? Make it law that each man must father children with multiple women?

[Whoha]

total: 4.37 deaths/1,000 live births

still, even if it were zero, 1.85 does not cover even the Mother or Father.

[Bereta_Eder]

financial support to families with many babies.

but only italian families, which accuse him of racism

[Bereta_Eder]

so with a 2,11 it IS above replacement. sicne the death is 4/1000?

[Kramerman]

thats pretty cool

[Whoha]

Kramerman:Anti-abortion stuff,incentives for children,punishment for staying single,that sort of thing.

Italy so far is(in one town) giving 12k dollars for each child born.

[Kramerman]

... an ambition man could make millions...

[Whoha]

Paiktis22: That is probable, but I do not know.

of those 1000 births, if 4 die, then to be at replacement level 1000 births(4 of those die) have to happen to 473 parent groups(mother and father) to be at the replacement rate. France is at 1.85, so theres no way. The site doesn't list statistics like that So there is no way to tell whether 2.11 would be above the replacement rate or not for France, But I think 2.11 was calculated as a general base line for developed countries.

[Inverse Icarus]

bicamerial legistaltion!

if the majority of people in Europe want something, but the majority of countries in Europe DON'T, well you have quite an issue to address there, no?

off the top of my head I can't think of anything that wouldn't end up a stagnant beuracracy.

[Whoha]

Also, the above situation assumes that 100% of the population is Heterosexual, and has the requisit number of children, which are obviously invalid assumptions.

[Wernazuma III]

Spain and Poland my ass! At least in this issue, it's simply not fair towards the rest of Europe, especially Germany. I favor the one-man-one-vote thinking, although for that it might be too early. But such an injust key as Spain and Poland try to defend is simply unacceptable.

[Bereta_Eder]

Whoha, if the birth level of france is 2,11 that means 0,11 growing population. gays have nothing to do with that.
its how many babies are indeed born

[Ecthy]

BTW, the US' new debts are 4.4% of the GDP, so chance to join the euro (theoretically). Just for those about to whine how Germany and France want to trule Europe despite our economic "weakness" or something like that.

Core union now.

[Whoha]

The birth level is 1.85 though, 2.11 would only be above replacement if infant mortality were zero or very close. I'll look at that fact sheet and try to figure it out for you.

[Bereta_Eder]

dont look at CIA factbook, its full of mistakes.

The EU commission report placed fertility at above 2 but i dont remember howmuch.