Return of the King - Page 12

Sarxis · December 23, 2003, 01:15

He left because he never fully healed from the effects of the Morgul Blade wound, nor the effects of the Ring.

The Scouring of the Shire was left out. Let's just say, someone ends up at the Shire that wasn't supposed to be there.

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:18

Scouring is when the hobbits get back to the Shire and realize that things have gone to crap.

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 01:26

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what is the scouring of the shire? And why did Frodo leave the Shire? I figured he did it because it was written that way

There is another view on this. He left because he was a Ringbearer. You will notice that in the appendix the Tale of Years hints that Sam may have left Middle Earth as well, because he was the last surviving ringbearer.

I guess the idea is that bearing the ring changes a person such that they are "magical". Since the whole story of Lord of the Rings is based around the idea of magic and elvishness leaving the earth, presumably he leaves for Valinor where such things are appropriate. Once a person has been "magicked up" they no longer fit into Middle Earth which has by the fourth age, become the realm of men. For example, Aragorn is the last of the Numenoreans, the Edain, the elf-friends. These were men who associated with the elves to such a degree that the magic rubbed off on them, leading to a longer life and a higher form of culture. Of course, it's doomed, because elves were never supposed to stay in Middle Earth, and those that did either failed to obey instructions or were rebels who left and were exiled.

Gimli is supposed to go as well. I'm not quite sure what that means.

Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 01:32

I think Gimli got a special invite from Galadriel.

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:35

You know she wants some dwarf lovin'

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Agathon · December 23, 2003, 01:37

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I think Gimli got a special invite from Galadriel.

I'd forgotten that. I can't remember where that is stated.

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:40

Well in Appendix A of LOTR, the Line of the Dwarves of Erebor, speak of Gimli leaving with Legolas, and Galadriel obtained grace from the Eldar to allow him to come along.

Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 01:42

Nerd...

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 01:42

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Well in Appendix A of LOTR, the Line of the Dwarves of Erebor, speak of Gimli leaving with Legolas, and Galadriel obtained grace from the Eldar to allow him to come along.

That's right. I'd forgotten. And people think that hobbits would look out of place in the fair city of Tirion.

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:46

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Nerd...

At least I'm correct... which is more than I can say for you

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Dis · December 23, 2003, 01:47

so what happens to the blonde chick?

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:49

Eoywn? The one that kills the Witchking?

Dis · December 23, 2003, 01:51

yes

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 01:53

Marries Faramir and becomes the Lady of Ithilien. Moves over the river with him and lives happily ever after. Faramir and she send presents to Pippin's wedding.

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 01:55

Damn... he knows his ****

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Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 01:56

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At least I'm correct... which is more than I can say for you.

I said the same thing as you...

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 01:57

Here's a couple of Tolkien questions.

Who forged Sting?

Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"?

What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur?

What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind?

By what name is Ereinion better known?

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:00

Here's a harder one.

Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

Imran Siddiqui · December 23, 2003, 02:02

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I said the same thing as you...

Who says I was just talking about that one question?

Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 02:04

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Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

Well, Isildur struck him down, but Sauron had been defeated once before when Numenor was swallowed up in the Valar's wrath after the forces of Ar-Pharazon (IIRC) landed in Valinor. So I'd go with the Valar...

I think Elendil got a crack at him before Isildur as well, but I don't remember the timeline exactly.

yavoon · December 23, 2003, 02:08

who else thinks that isildur should have throw the sword and cut off the whole hand?? I mean c'mon thats atleast half as cheesy as what was depicted.

Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 02:09

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Who forged Sting?

The Noldor of Gondolin.

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Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"?

I don't remember.

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What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur?

Brothers. Tar-Minyatur was Elwing, Elrond the half-Elven's brother, IIRC. Elwing chose to become a man and became Tar-Minayatur, the first king of Numenor. Elrond chose to be an Elf, obviously.

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What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind?

Noldor, Teleri and Vanyar for the high elves. For elves in general, it's the high elves who went to Valinor, gray elves who went to Beleriand but didn't go to Valinor (like the elves of Doriath) and green elves like Legolas, I think.

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By what name is Ereinion better known?

Hell if I know...

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:16

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Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

Well, Isildur struck him down, but Sauron had been defeated once before when Numenor was swallowed up in the Valar's wrath after the forces of Ar-Pharazon (IIRC) landed in Valinor. So I'd go with the Valar...

I think Elendil got a crack at him before Isildur as well, but I don't remember the timeline exactly.

Nope. Ar-Pharazon takes him back in bondage to Numenor before any of those things happen. Sauron admits defeat without a sword being drawn once he sees the might of Ar-Pharazon's army.

And Isildur does not strike him down AFAIK. He is slain by Gil Galad and Elendil and Isildur cuts the ring off the defeated Sauron.

It's not clear how that fight goes although only Isildur, Cirdan and Elrond stand by. Gil Galad is killed by Sauron's fiery grasp.

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:19

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Who forged Sting?

The Noldor of Gondolin.

Correct.

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Why is Sauron's ram called "Grond"?

I don't remember.

It's named after Morgoth's hammer.

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What relation does Elrond bear to Tar-Minyatur?

Brothers. Tar-Minyatur was Elwing, Elrond the half-Elven's brother, IIRC. Elwing chose to become a man and became Tar-Minayatur, the first king of Numenor. Elrond chose to be an Elf, obviously.

Excellent

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What are the three main divisions of Elvenkind?

Noldor, Teleri and Vanyar for the high elves. For elves in general, it's the high elves who went to Valinor, gray elves who went to Beleriand but didn't go to Valinor (like the elves of Doriath) and green elves like Legolas, I think.

Almost right, but that's my fault. I forgot the Avari (unwilling).

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By what name is Ereinion better known?

Hell if I know...

Gil Galad.

yavoon · December 23, 2003, 02:20

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Correct.

It's named after Morgoth's hammer.

Excellent

Almost right, but that's my fault. I forgot the Avari (unwilling).

Gil Galad.

whats the prize? ur virginity back?

Drake Tungsten · December 23, 2003, 02:21

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Nope. Ar-Pharazon takes him back in bondage to Numenor before any of those things happen. Sauron admits defeat without a sword being drawn once he sees the might of Ar-Pharazon's army.

Dammit. I had Ar-Pharazon written down at first, but then I remembered how Sauron corrupted him and ensured his destruction, so I changed my answer...

Still, not too bad.

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:23

Here's some more.

What were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth?

What are the two elf havens marked on the map of Middle Earth?

Name Melkor's three strongholds.

Which former resident of Nargothrond does Frodo meet in "Lord of the Rings"?

Who is "Darkmoon" better known as?

Who is Banazir Galpsi?

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:24

Actually I should take marks off, Drake.

Tar-Minyatur's given name is "Elros". Elwing was his mother. Not a big deal though.

Agathon · December 23, 2003, 02:28

More:

Name two unwinged dragons.

What do Dain's troops carry in the Hobbit?

Who is Annatar?

What happens to the Silmarils?

Who finds arms at Vinyamar?