How did they know?

Al B. Sure! · December 27, 2003, 15:33

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Smoking is a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless.

-James I of England, "A Counterblaste to Tobacco."

also, the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV (1623-1640) had similiar sentiments.

Kirnwaffen · December 27, 2003, 15:34

Common sense?

"Hmm, I wonder if inhaling something that makes me hack and gag the first time could be bad for me."

Solly · December 27, 2003, 15:42

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"Hmm, I wonder if swallowing something that makes me hack and gag the first time could be bad for me."

let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Wezil · December 27, 2003, 15:44

Yet people successfully sued the cig companies for not telling them it was harmful. *sigh*

Theben · December 27, 2003, 15:47

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Originally posted by Park Avenue
let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

That's not inhaling...

Sava · December 27, 2003, 15:48

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also, the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV (1623-1640) had similiar sentiments.

a 17 year old Ottoman Sultan...

WOW I'm IMPRESSED!

somehow, human civilization survived THE EVILS OF SMOKING!

Al B. Sure! · December 27, 2003, 15:55

sava, what? he was crowned in 1623... he was only 11 when he was crowned but still..

Bugs ****ing Bunny · December 27, 2003, 15:58

Murad IV?

How willing are you to accept health and lifestyle advice from a man who drank himself to death before the age of 30?

Theben · December 27, 2003, 16:08

Maybe Murad was into punk rock.

Live fast, die young!!

Sava · December 27, 2003, 16:13

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
sava, what? he was crowned in 1623... he was only 11 when he was crowned but still..

oh I thought the dates were his life... but still 11??!!? so from age 11-28... the "wise" Sultan graced the world with his wisdom?!

hmmm he died at 28? gee what did he die from? not cigarettes I bet...

alva · December 27, 2003, 16:19

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Originally posted by Park Avenue
let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

That's not inhaling...

It is according to a former american president so it is to every american..

Ted Striker · December 27, 2003, 16:28

so what if he was 11

and if he drank himself to death that means I'm going to take his advice even MORE

he obviously knows how to **** himself over

The Emperor Fabulous · December 27, 2003, 16:30

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Originally posted by Park Avenue

let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Theben · December 27, 2003, 16:34

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Originally posted by alva

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That's not inhaling...

It is according to a former american president so it is to every american..

No, he said that "getting totally stoned out of your freaking mind" was not inhaling. Not filling in your intern on her new position.

(you'd think that Clinton would be Ted Striker's hero. They have the same motto, "I'd hit it."?)

Verto · December 27, 2003, 16:34

We've known about the dangers of tobacco and coffee for over a hundred years(that I know of), in addition to the health benefits of eating more grains/veggies etc and limiting the amount of meat in one's diet.

Az · December 27, 2003, 17:22

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Originally posted by Park Avenue

let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Sava, are you questioning the hazards of smoking?

Urban Ranger · December 28, 2003, 02:17

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Originally posted by Park Avenue
let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Stew, misquoting is a serious offence.

Inverse Icarus · December 28, 2003, 02:38

you are quite a buzzkill.

Solly · December 28, 2003, 06:00

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Stew, manslaughter is a serious offence.

Yeah I know

Monk · December 28, 2003, 06:10

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Originally posted by Park Avenue
Monk rules.

Right on!

Enigma_Nova · December 28, 2003, 09:43

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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Murad IV?

How willing are you to accept health and lifestyle advice from a man who drank himself to death before the age of 30?

I live at a university dorm. I'd never take advice from anyone if I disrespected the views of the drinkers.

It's like I always thought:
You can give people mountains of evidence, but if it conflicts with their beliefs (and many people believe their peers to know what's right) then you're misdirecting your effort.

I say prevent cigarette supporters from reproducing (steralising drugs?) and wait 'til they kill themselves off.

Space05us · December 28, 2003, 10:24

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How did they know?

Ned · December 28, 2003, 12:22

Anyone who has been around a heavy smoker knows what Jame I said was true. What we did not know was that smoking caused cancer.

Pekka · December 28, 2003, 13:17

I believe what they smoked back then had more poisons too, than today, though they are very poisonous today.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · December 28, 2003, 13:23

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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova

I live at a university dorm. I'd never take advice from anyone if I disrespected the views of the drinkers.

You dozy bugger. There's a massive chasm of difference between your average youthful binge-drinker and an astonishingly self-destructive alcoholic who kills themself before the age of 30.

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It's like I always thought:
You can give people mountains of evidence, but if it conflicts with their beliefs (and many people believe their peers to know what's right) then you're misdirecting your effort.

I say prevent cigarette supporters from reproducing (steralising drugs?) and wait 'til they kill themselves off.

Great attitude, sunshine. "Your views disagree with my own- therefore you and your kind must be eradicated". I bet that wows the chicks.

Enigma_Nova · December 29, 2003, 06:57

Point 1:
You're right in that regard but both sets of people are drinking themselves into early graves. Some graves are merely earlier than others.

I am concerned about the mental health of my fellow residents, but I am not concerned for what they and their ilk do upon themselves. I worry though that a potential prodigy may be swayed by the current system, and lack of a strong sober rational element.

People (other than me) have this social strain, they like to form in groups and do what their peers do. I am afraid that this strain has caused a mass revolt from rational thought, and want to bring rational thought to power.
Don't blame me for being the Devil's advocate (Though by above doctrine you will be obliged to).

Point 2:
My life's goals, in order of priority:
#1. Ascertain knowledge/wisdom.
#2. Protect all allies.
#3. Destroy all enemies.

I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense.

You have a problem with my life's choices, sir? Well thankyou - it works both ways.

Drake Tungsten · December 29, 2003, 07:13

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I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense.

Who's DL are you? Seriously, no one can be this homo-gay...

Ecthy · December 29, 2003, 07:54

Enigma, your top priority should be breeding like a rabbit (without reproducing), but hey.

Plus, the tendency to smoking is not hereditary, so sterelising drugs would have no effects.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · December 29, 2003, 13:33

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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
My life's goals, in order of priority:
#1. Ascertain knowledge/wisdom.
#2. Protect all allies.
#3. Destroy all enemies.

I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense.

You have a problem with my life's choices, sir? Well thankyou - it works both ways.

I don't have the remotest problem with your lifestyle choices. Only one of us is proposing the eradication of opposing lifestyles, and it ain't me.

I've met quite a few people like you on the internet. The trouble is that it takes some time before I work out whether their behaviour (one part asceticism to twenty parts narcissism) is due to a dysfunctional response to social failure (or fear of social failure), or if they're genuinely aesthetes/hermitics. It's almost invariably the former, however. If it's the former, I hope you review your lifestyle and make a few changes.

If it's the latter then go with your choices, be happy, and don't be a pillock with the lifestyles of others again.

Theben · December 29, 2003, 19:24

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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
I worry though that a potential prodigy may be swayed by the current system,

I don't think you need to worry about this, especially if this is how you present yourself irl.