Turns in Anarchy

bongo · January 5, 2004, 10:40

When I start a revolution with a non-religious civ I will always spend some turns in anarchy before I can choose a new type of government.

Does anyone know the details on how long anarchy will last? By experience I have found that larger empires will stay longer in anarchy.

Just for testing I started a revolution in a regent c3c game and was told it were gonna take 6 turns. I then reloaded the game, built a city, then started a revolution and then had to spend 7 turns in anarcy.. Appearantly hit some treshold there.

Details anyone, please?

BTW, if you happen to have an 'old' formula for vanilla civ3 or ptw I will happily accept that as well

Tall Stranger · January 5, 2004, 11:04

I'm not positive, but I believe that the number of turns is randomly generated and not definitely linked to empire size. I've had huge empires and only been in anarchy for 5 turns, and I've done the despotism-to-republic switch early in the game and had 7 turn anarchy.

Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.

:) Smiley · January 5, 2004, 13:19

Are there "oedo years" in Civ3 or is it a more complex formula now?

Arrian · January 5, 2004, 13:20

No oedo years in CivIII, no. I thought it was 3-7 years for non-religious civs, with larger civs having a higher chance at longer anarchy.

-Arrian

lockstep · January 5, 2004, 14:01

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Originally posted by Tall Stranger
Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.

I'd really appreciate this change. At the moment, a second government switch (besides 'get the hell out of despotism') is almost never worth it for non-religious civs.

bongo · January 5, 2004, 15:21

It's all a result of the RNG then?

'Oedo years' What's that? Another way of saying it is a formula hidden behind somewhere?

Arrian · January 5, 2004, 15:36

oedo years, IIRC, were discovered by a poster named oedo - in CivII, every fourth turn was a year in which a revolution would only take 1 turn. So if you revolted at the right time, you had 1 turn anarchy, but if you did it the next turn, you were in for 3 turns of anarchy.

-Arrian

bongo · January 5, 2004, 17:13

Wow, thought I knew just about everythng about civ2 by now...you learn something every day I guess, even if that particular piece of knowledge is a bit redundant now

steven8r · January 5, 2004, 18:24

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Originally posted by Tall Stranger
Jesse from Firaxis posted recent to say that said they were looking to weigh the roll so that most anarchy periods last 3-5 turns.

So, they're nerfing Religious too?!

They've toned-down most of the other traits, why not Religious too?

Ok, so I'm ranting a little bit. Religious would still be 'better' than without it, like Industrial and Commercial traits. (or did they actually beef-up Commercial????)

Whatever the possible outcome, I will either find a way to play w/ the new rules, or I will mod my own.

Steven

Cerbykins · January 6, 2004, 03:25

Obviosuly someone who's never had a 9-turn period of anarchy

(I'm sure it was 9...)
Anyway, on average, my anarchy lasts around 8 turns. BADLY needed. The fact that some folks refuse to leave their religious civs prove this

bongo · January 6, 2004, 03:38

Haven't been so bad if you knew how it worked, then you could time your revolutions better. Even shortened it a bit, once you knew the deciding factors.

justjake73 · January 6, 2004, 09:25

Here's what I do:

1. Wait til the end of turn.

2. Save game.

3. Go to Happiness Advisor.

4. Choose a revolution, and the advisor will say "We're in a state of Anarchy right now. It's touch and go; we should have a gov in about X turns."

5. If X is more than 5, than reload from that Save and play another turn before trying again.

Anarchy can last anywhere from 3 to 7 turns.

bongo · January 6, 2004, 09:36

So...it is random...?

Reloading isn't always an option, right now I'm playing a PBEM and I'm trying to get an overview over how many turns I can except to spend in anarchy before I start the revolt. Guess I just have to close my eyes, point at a date and start the revolution then. I can then open the old saves, and try to find a pattern(if one exist)

Iron Jackson · January 6, 2004, 15:39

Kind of a formula for non-religious civs:

3 + a number between 1 and 5 (I think it depends on how large your empire is)

4 turns is the minimum number of turns for non-religious civs in anarchy.

MrWhereItsAt · January 7, 2004, 04:02

Iron Jackson - where did this formula come from? is it your own observations or did you see this elsewhere?

vee4473 · January 7, 2004, 20:15

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Originally posted by Iron Jackson

4 turns is the minimum number of turns for non-religious civs in anarchy.

i'm pretty sure I have had anarchy less than 4 turns as the americans occasionally

Catt · January 7, 2004, 21:04

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Iron Jackson - where did this formula come from? is it your own observations or did you see this elsewhere?

It was an explanation from Soren Johnson a long time ago. If I've got the "link to specific post" feature correctly, you should see it by clicking HERE. (If I don;t have the "link to post" I almost certainly have the correct thread linked).

And BTW, pre-C3C you could have 1-turn anarchies as a non-religious civ (0r 8-turn anarchies

): 1 - 5 turns randomly and an additional 0 - 3 turns based on empire size.

Catt

bongo · January 8, 2004, 03:37

Excellent

Paddy · January 8, 2004, 08:22

How interesting, the places we can do our homework...

Thanks

Filippo · January 8, 2004, 08:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Iron Jackson
Kind of a formula for non-religious civs:

3 + a number between 1 and 5 (I think it depends on how large your empire is)

4 turns is the minimum number of turns for non-religious civs in anarchy.

this formula is false.

Also, it may just be me, but I seem to notice that you get shorter anarchy if you choose to drop your current gov. as soon as you discover the new gov. technology.