January 19, 2004, 09:58
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
To God, everything happens before him. he may see your actions in the future, but that does not mean he controls them.
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But God knowing my future actions invalidates my free will. I may think I have free will but it's a falsehood. If God has seen a future action of mine that involves me getting up in five minutes to make a cup of tea then, for all purposes, I have already gotten up and made the tea and I will always get up and make the tea. Knowledge of the future cannot co-exist with true free will. Its like if you or I were able to step outside of the normal, linear flow of time. Say we traveled to the past and went to Dallas on the day of JFK's assassination. President Kennedy would believe he had free will and go about his business but would end up dead. To us, his free will is just an illusion caused by inferior knowledge since we know something (ie, the future) that he cannot know. Likewise, our free will cannot actually be free will if there is an entity out there (ie, God) who knows our own future.
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Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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January 19, 2004, 10:32
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Says Mr. Lithuanian.
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Speer is Lithuanian?
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 10:34
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Half Lithuanian. So I geuss only half the balls go into the basket 
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January 19, 2004, 10:37
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Half Lithuanian. So I geuss only half the balls go into the basket
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Which Athens club is your fav? You have what, 3-4 serious clubs in one city?
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 10:47
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I'm Panathinaikos But I've stopped watching the matches since the subscription private chanels took the rights. When I followed them though I think we had done pretty well we had like won 4 european championships in a row But I have no idea what happens now.
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January 19, 2004, 10:56
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Originally posted by Saras
Speer is Lithuanian?
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And half Lebanese. And at least half black.
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Stop Quoting Ben
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January 19, 2004, 12:16
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Originally posted by paiktis22
I'm Panathinaikos
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DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU AND YOUR PANATHINAIKOS!!!
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 12:21
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why?! something has happened and i don't know it 
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January 19, 2004, 12:24
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They beat zalgiris the week before last.
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 12:29
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Sorry  At least I hope that didn't mean you were disqualified or anything.
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January 19, 2004, 12:34
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BTW I'm a bit pissed off at the way basketball clubs don't have so many players of their own country anymore. It's all because of the "community (EU) initiative". Perhaps you'll find out soon enough too  Now it's all about the $$$. We have a filthy rich president who spends millions in this team and buys the best world players. Money talks and makes the difference. You have Greek or Italian or whatever basketball clubs with only one greek or italian in the basic 5.  Meanwhile national teams wither. Well not the Lithuanian one as you've recently demonstrated
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January 19, 2004, 12:48
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Re: Sympathy for the devil
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Originally posted by Whaleboy
So what actually is devil worship? What are its fundamental elements, activities, philosophies?
Is it just a harmless bit of gothic fun or a serious religion?
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Varies, but generally speaking devil worship is the inverse of Christianity... as in "don't love God" and "hate your neighbour".
However, don't get devil worship mixed up with Animist beliefs like Voodoo and Wicca. They are very different.
Personally, I'm an unorthodox Voodoo practitioner, which boils down to "I believe in God (Grand Met to the Caribean branches) but there's other beings as well - less powerful, but more immediate to humanity".
I don't intend to talk further about these beliefs, so don't bother asking. It is for each and everyone to find their own path - as long as it's not the path of least resistance I'm not fussed.
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Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
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January 19, 2004, 12:59
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Sorry At least I hope that didn't mean you were disqualified or anything.
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No, but Sabonis has bronchitis and will not play for at least 2 weeks. And we need to win ALL of the remaining games iirc.
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:00
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Back on topic - is basketball worship a form of satanism?
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:00
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Sabonis still plays? He was God! Very good player.
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January 19, 2004, 13:03
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Sabonis still plays? He was God! Very good player.
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He still is God. He's LKL (lithuanian basketball league) MVP, one of the top Euroleague players and a demigod figure in Lithuanian popular mind.
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:04
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Originally posted by Saras
Back on topic - is basketball worship a form of satanism?
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Well some players appear to have made a pact with the devil
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January 19, 2004, 13:05
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Originally posted by Saras
He still is God. He's LKL (lithuanian basketball league) MVP, one of the top Euroleague players and a demigod figure in Lithuanian popular mind.
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How old is he?
Of course he is very well known in Greece BTW.
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January 19, 2004, 13:06
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Originally posted by Saras
He still is God...
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Do you worship him?
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Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84
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January 19, 2004, 13:07
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Well some players appear to have made a pact with the devil
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Some fans as well 
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:10
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yeah must have been a hell of a final. unfortunately I missed it
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January 19, 2004, 13:10
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Originally posted by paiktis22
How old is he?
Of course he is very well known in Greece BTW.
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He's 39.
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:16
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He's also NOW euroleagues ranking mvp,
http://www.euroleague.net/stats/stan...E03&fase=RS031
Surely the work of the devil himself.
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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January 19, 2004, 13:22
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Originally posted by The Mad Viking
To discredit Wicca based on lack of continuity, you must also be willing to discredit modern Christianity...
...the discontinuous leaps of ideology from OT to NT, from Jesus' teachings to Paul's writings, and from NT to Catholic dogma are truly staggering...
religion=dodgy
no need to single out Wicca...
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Christianity gets extra credibility on the grounds that it clearly wasn't botched together within the last hundred years by a bloke who wanted to see what was inside women's knickers.
Then again, I'm no more of a Christian than I am a Wiccan.
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January 19, 2004, 13:23
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That old devil
Nice site.
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January 19, 2004, 14:53
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Laz-
True, but it was botched and rebotched so many times, that evens things up...
...and what, may I ask, do you have against looking inside a woman's knickers???
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January 19, 2004, 16:29
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Nothing at all. I simply fail to see why it's necessary to start a religion in order to do so.
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January 19, 2004, 17:45
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Near where I grew up in the hills of Ohio, about 30 years ago, there was a satanic ritual where they skinned a baby alive.
Satanism is practiced in some of these backwoods places, although I don't know the general magnitude of the faithful or the specifics of what they believe in.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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January 19, 2004, 19:37
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Starchild: Sorry, you're still not making sense to me. Are you insisting that you should have the power to surprise god? JFK still has free will in your example, he just has no particular reason to decide to behave differently unless you intervene somehow. You seem to be describing a function of time more than anything else. Is this like that "if a tree falls in the woods" question? I never got that either.
And kindly don't associate Catholic dogma with modern christianity in its entirety, Viking. The OT and NT are dramatically different, I'll grant you, though according to Christ that's the whole point. What's the disparity you mention between the Gospels and Paul?
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January 21, 2004, 06:03
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Originally posted by paiktis22
yeah must have been a hell of a final. unfortunately I missed it
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Prayers to the Dark Master have not gone unheeded
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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