How can you believe homosexuality is a choice, unless you're bisexual? - Page 6

Urban Ranger · January 31, 2004, 01:53

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Originally posted by MrFun
I am going to wait for someone to explain to me, how you can justify imposing second-class citizenship on a group of people who make a choice of of any kind, that involves no harm to anyone.

Nobody forces you to make the choices that place you in the "excluded" group instead of the "included" group.

You can choose to believe that "blacks are dumber than whites" or "homosexuality is a disorder." Sure, your beliefs do not harm anybody, but don't be surprised if you are shunned.

Capt Dizle · January 31, 2004, 02:07

This thread gives me a strange urge to drive to the mall, take the escalator to the top level and walk the rail shouting, " I am heterosexual you Godless bigots!"

"Can you hear me now?"

Berzerker · January 31, 2004, 05:31

Sky -

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Obviously his goal is not to prove that they are all bisexuals - that would be pointless - but rather to try and show they have no logical basis for their claims.

I know, I was just giving him sh!t.

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There is growing evidence to support also that we're closer related to "Bonobo chimps" than "regular chimps". Bonobo chimps are the most openly bi-sexual animal I've ever seen, and they're smart as hell too, with more ability for language and tool use than normal chimps. Anyways, its very common for same sex bonobos to greet eachother with gentital rubbing, or if one is mad at another, one will basically give the angry one a hand job to reduce the tension. Also group bi, homo and hetero orgies are very common. Since they don't fight alot (as much as normal chimps) primatologists believe these orgies are a social stabalizer mechanism.

Keep your hands away from me you Bonobo's Uncle... I'm not tense damnit!

notyoueither · January 31, 2004, 05:53

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You will need to first prove that religion does not and did not harm others -- or rather, humanity as a whole.

But I digress. The point here is as long as you can make a conscious choice on an issue, it is a valid point of selection.

Say some restaurants do not accept clients who don't follow certain dress codes. You can certainly argue that your choice of not following these codes do not harm others, but that's besides the point.

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Nobody forces you to make the choices that place you in the "excluded" group instead of the "included" group.

You can choose to believe that "blacks are dumber than whites" or "homosexuality is a disorder." Sure, your beliefs do not harm anybody, but don't be surprised if you are shunned.

What a bunch of baffelgab.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · January 31, 2004, 06:12

That's a great word. I'm stealing it.

notyoueither · January 31, 2004, 06:23

Help! Help! My language is being pillaged by imperialist aggressors.

JimmyCracksCorn · January 31, 2004, 16:59

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Originally posted by Berzerker

Keep your hands away from me you Bonobo's Uncle... I'm not tense damnit!

Oh really?

Look at the smile on that ones face.

Guynemer · January 31, 2004, 17:10

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Originally posted by jimmytrick
This thread gives me a strange urge to drive to the mall, take the escalator to the top level and walk the rail shouting, " I am heterosexual you Godless bigots!"

"Can you hear me now?"

Yeah, we heterosexuals sure have it rough.

JimmyCracksCorn · January 31, 2004, 18:02

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Originally posted by Guynemer

Yeah, we heterosexuals sure have it rough.

Well, yeah, keeping all those godless biggots in line can get tough.

Nostromo · January 31, 2004, 18:21

I'm not bi, nor homosexual. But I still think homosexuality is, in part, a choice. Of course, you don't choose your sexual orientation. But you can choose not to come out of the closet, to have a wife and kids and be (probably) utterly miserable... There's an element of choice.

Asher · January 31, 2004, 18:28

Of course it's technically a "choice" to act on it, but to most people it's not really a choice, lest they wish to choose to live an absolutely miserable life.

JimmyCracksCorn · January 31, 2004, 19:00

Asher, do you still consider yourself bi, or are you a full fledged homosexual now?

Edit: That sounded like an insult, but I'm just curious.

Asher · January 31, 2004, 19:03

I'm a card-carrying member of the homosexual parties now.

Though, I still don't act stereotypically gay.

Nostromo · January 31, 2004, 19:04

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Originally posted by Asher
Of course it's technically a "choice" to act on it, but to most people it's not really a choice, lest they wish to choose to live an absolutely miserable life.

Unfortunately, a lot of homosexuals choose to kill themselves instead of being a "damn fag".

Nostromo · January 31, 2004, 19:11

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Originally posted by Asher

Though, I still don't act stereotypically gay.

You don't have to, you know... You can choose

JimmyCracksCorn · January 31, 2004, 20:05

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Originally posted by Asher
I'm a card-carrying member of the homosexual parties now.

Though, I still don't act stereotypically gay.

Ah, I see. Not a fan of the spinach... I understand.

But seriously, in sociology there is a distinguishment made between homosexuality and homosociality. One can be homosexual while not being homosocial (in that you don't present yourself in a way that you don't behave socially like a member of the opposite sex, or "act gay"), which is clearly how you are.

So stop justifying it!

MrFun · January 31, 2004, 20:46

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Originally posted by Asher
I'm a card-carrying member of the homosexual parties now.

Though, I still don't act stereotypically gay.

Spiffor · January 31, 2004, 20:58

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Originally posted by Asher
lest they wish to choose to live an absolutely miserable life.

This is actually quite common among bigots and bigoted societies. Uncloseted homosexuality was reserved to the elite for a long, very long time.

molly bloom · February 2, 2004, 00:49

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Originally posted by Rogan Josh

tut tut. Now who is being prejudiced?

Well judging from the rant in your previous post in this thread, you were. After all, your post revolved around the ideas of sin, gay sex, religious condemnation and rape.

Not much room for love in there was there? My partner has been with me for twenty years- and there's quite a lot of love invested in our relationship.

Not just from each to each, but from parents, and grandparents, from friends, from cousins, from nieces and nephews, from brothers and sisters- so no, 'gay' identity, 'gay sexuality' do not determine our lives- I don't get up in the morning thinking, 'oh, how shall I view the world in a gay way today?'

I've yet to find out what this 'gay' lifestyle is that I'm meant to be having- I feel sure I'm missing out on some benefits or entitlements. Perhaps some of the folks real knowledgeable about gays and lesbians could enlighten me- the real 'experts' like Park Avenue and Ayatollah Kenobi, with their extensive research and experience into 'alternative' lifestyles.

Kuciwalker · February 2, 2004, 00:50

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Originally posted by Spiffor

This is actually quite common among bigots and bigoted societies. Uncloseted homosexuality was reserved to the elite for a long, very long time.

That's amusing... gay sex the privilege of the rich

it sounds funny

Rogan Josh · February 2, 2004, 07:50

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Originally posted by molly bloom
I don't get up in the morning thinking, 'oh, how shall I view the world in a gay way today?'

Well, that is not how it appears from your posts here.

What's more, you seem completely bigotted - unable to accept other people's views and even unable to allow people to have views contary to your own. I have many times stated that what you do in private is none of my concern, and I don't really care what you believe, but still you are willing to insult my beliefs without reserve. It is my right to think gay sex is wrong, just as it is your right to think Chrsitian belief is wrong, but you would appear to believe that only your rights should be upheld.

Oh dear, I will have to be more careful not to offend the gay thought police...

MrFun · February 2, 2004, 09:21

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Originally posted by Rogan Josh

Well, that is not how it appears from your posts here.

What's more, you seem completely bigotted - unable to accept other people's views and even unable to allow people to have views contary to your own. I have many times stated that what you do in private is none of my concern, and I don't really care what you believe, but still you are willing to insult my beliefs without reserve. It is my right to think gay sex is wrong, just as it is your right to think Chrsitian belief is wrong, but you would appear to believe that only your rights should be upheld.

Oh dear, I will have to be more careful not to offend the gay thought police...

Yeah, we're a bunch of mean-spirited, hateful people because we want the same respect and dignity that heterosexual people take for granted.

molly bloom · February 2, 2004, 21:36

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Originally posted by Rogan Josh

Well, that is not how it appears from your posts here.

What's more, you seem completely bigotted - unable to accept other people's views and even unable to allow people to have views contary to your own. I have many times stated that what you do in private is none of my concern, and I don't really care what you believe, but still you are willing to insult my beliefs without reserve. It is my right to think gay sex is wrong, just as it is your right to think Chrsitian belief is wrong, but you would appear to believe that only your rights should be upheld.

Oh dear, I will have to be more careful not to offend the gay thought police...

Oh please give me the names of the gay thought police, perhaps I can be eligible to join.

The idea that gay men all somehow think alike is just anoter example of your rigid prejudiced mind set. My sexuality no more predicates that I will think like mindseye, Mr. Fun, Boris, or Starchild or anyone else who happens also to be gay- just as presumably your heterosexuality will not provide that you think the same as any other heterosexual.

Your religious beliefs, such as they are, already predispose you to be a bigot, as far as I can tell- you judge me, only knowing the fact of my sexuality.

It mya be hard for you to believe but my sexuality does not influence my daily life- and I'd like to see which posts here you think relate solely to my sexuality.

The people who seem to have a real bee in their Ayatollah turbans about my sexuality are the religious and the bigoted- so if you find yourself in their company, ain't nobody's doin' but your own.

Agathon · February 2, 2004, 21:48

Gay thought police?

Aaaaarrrrrrrgggghghhhhhhh!!!!!

molly bloom · February 2, 2004, 21:53

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Originally posted by Agathon
Gay thought police?

Aaaaarrrrrrrgggghghhhhhhh!!!!!

I know. Presumably dressed in Tom of Finland uniforms, or Grace Jones style suits for the lesbians.

It's one of those tedious cliches dragged up along with 'gay mafia' 'gay lobby' etc, etc.

Agathon · February 2, 2004, 21:57

Get out of my heeeeaaaddddd you mind-controlling poofters!!!!!!

Must.... buy.... Julio Iglesias' Greatest Hits.... to throw them off the scent!!!

molly bloom · February 2, 2004, 22:15

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Originally posted by Agathon
Get out of my heeeeaaaddddd you mind-controlling poofters!!!!!!

Must.... buy.... Julio Iglesias' Greatest Hits.... to throw them off the scent!!!

Ways to resist:

wear Old Spice or Brut 33 talc and aftershave.

Do not wash your genitalia regularly.

Wear plaid, polyester and crimplene, preferably in the same pair of trousers or shirt. Or underwear.

Watch 'Seventh Heaven' 'Touched by an Angel' and 'The Price is Right'.

Appear on the 'Jerry Springer Show' as an enthusiastic audience member.

Listen to Perry Como, Whitney Houston and Liberace, and enjoy them.

Shop at Wal Mart and eat t.v. dinners.

Of course, you run therisk of being mistaken for a truck driver gay fantasy figure, but then there's risks in everything, right?

Drake Tungsten · February 2, 2004, 22:29

WTF is wrong with "The Price Is Right"?

Agathon · February 2, 2004, 22:30

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
WTF is wrong with "The Price Is Right"?

DRAKE IS GAY TRUCK DRIVER MATERIAL!

Drake Tungsten · February 2, 2004, 22:33

I'll need a truck, first. Guess I'll just have to win that arm-wrestling tournament...