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Old February 11, 2004, 23:47   #1
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California voters: Do you support prop 57 and 58?
http://www.yes57and58.org/

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"Passage of Propositions 57 and 58 – the California Balanced Budget Package – are the first steps in California's economic recovery. Proposition 57 will refinance past deficits at a time of historic low interest rates. Proposition 58 will make sure California lives within its means in the future."
— Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

"'Yes' votes on propositions 57 and 58 are essential to the financial welfare of California. Without their passage, the cuts and tax increases that will be required to balance the budget will be astounding. The California Balanced Budget Package is the first step in getting our fiscal house in order."
— Democratic Controller Steve Westly
I do support both of them because they will be the only way to stabilize the budget. What is your take on this for those who are California voters?

*I will vote for both because I am of age and a California resident.
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I do not support either of these and will drive a tank in the street to defeat them.
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Fez,

By the quotes you post, it appears that the issue has bi-partisan support. Is this correct?

monkspider,

Why?
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Fez,

By the quotes you post, it appears that the issue has bi-partisan support. Is this correct?

monkspider,

Why?
Bipartisanship is not bad. It is needed right now in California. The fiscal responsibility that comes with each bill will help ease the situation, both of these have been heavily endorsed by Governor Arnold.
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I agree that bipartisanship is not bad. It is just so unusual. These must be truly needed things if Repubs and Demos can agree on them.
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I agree that bipartisanship is not bad. It is just so unusual. These must be truly needed things if Repubs and Demos can agree on them.
California is just too messed up for the democrats to go off on their own tangant on this one.. and Arnold has a lot of support.
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Well I believe that refinancing debt to low fixed rate terms should be a no-brainer. Where I am shocked that legislators show agreement is in the spending restraints. That one will dominate how politics works in Cali for a long while.

These things are good. I have started doing a lot of business in Cali of late and would like to see good things happen for their economy.
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You are wrong, Arnold is the butcher of the working class and must be overthrown. The people of California have spoken.
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Fez,

You are wrong, Arnold is the butcher of the working class and must be overthrown. The people of California have spoken.
You're acting moronic. Arnold was elected by a majority. Now go believe in your delusions. Stupid socialism doesn't work in the US.
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Not Californian, but I'd be interested in more info on these propositions. As stated, they are meaningless platitudes. What are the actual plans to achieve these (worthy) goals?
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You are wrong Fez because I will drive a tank in the street to defeat such ideas.
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Not Californian, but I'd be interested in more info on these propositions. As stated, they are meaningless platitudes. What are the actual plans to achieve these (worthy) goals?
I am thinking the site would contain more information on the subject.

monkspider, you can take your spamming elsewhere. We are actually discussing real world politics here.
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You are wrong because you are discussing fantasy world fascism. It doesn't work in real life kiddo.
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You are wrong Fez because I will drive a tank in the street to defeat such ideas.
This one's gonna be good. Fight to the death, monkspider.
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You are wrong because you are discussing fantasy world fascism. It doesn't work in real life kiddo.
Please stop spamming this thread. It was directed towards a specific issue, and these props have bipartisan support. So piss off.
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This one's gonna be good. Fight to the death, monkspider.
Yes...it appears that the sport of "Fez Baiting" is alive and well. It also appears that the bait still has its attraction to its prey.

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Monkspider will lose.

He provides no source. He provides NOTHING!
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Stupid socialism doesn't work in the US.
I agree.
Socialism requires some degree of intelligence, along with the normal factors
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These props must be driven over with a tank along with your fantasy fascist revolution.
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I agree.
Socialism requires some degree of intelligence, along with the normal factors
No that's capitalism. Socialism usually doesn't require any intelligence as displayed in Angola and Nicaragua.

Anyways, back to the issues at hand please. This is not what the topic is about.
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What's the idea here, monkspider? Tianamen square?
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Stop spoofing him. Get him to say new things. I can't fight the Fez because I'm too conservative.
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No that's capitalism. Socialism usually doesn't require any intelligence as displayed in Angola and Nicaragua.
Neither does capitalism, as displayed in the United States

Socialism requires intelligence, as proven by SOVIET RUSSIA and RED CHINA.
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This thread is hilarious.

Fez, you've dug yourself a deep pit to come out from and monkspider is piling the dirt back on you, but I'll throw you a rope:

Summary of the proposals please?
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Hmmm....dunno about Prop 58. I think if you want something like that to have real teeth, there should be a provision for a new election to be called if the government fails to balance the budget. Or maybe it does - I just did a quick scan.

Anyway, it seem to me that "forcing" a government to balance the budget rarely works - too many unforseen consequences, not to mention too many ways to shirk the provision. Unfortunately, there is no real good quick fix.

The refi idea sounds interesting. Not too sure how thrilled existing bondholders will be about it though. Are existing state bonds even callable?
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This thread is hilarious.

Fez, you've dug yourself a deep pit to come out from and monkspider is piling the dirt back on you, but I'll throw you a rope:

Summary of the proposals please?
Here you go:

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Proposition 57 Ballot Arguments
State government spending in California is out of control. Over the past three years, state spending has significantly exceeded state revenues.

The California Economic Recovery Bond Act will consolidate the deficit and ALLOW CALIFORNIA TO GET ITS FINANCIAL HOUSE IN ORDER--WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.

The California Economic Recovery Bond Act will keep the state from running out of money and prevent drastic cuts in spending on vital programs like education and health care.

The California Economic Recovery Bond Act will not take effect unless voters approve the California Balanced Budget Act, which PROHIBITS BORROWING TO PAY DEFICITS ever again and requires enactment of a BALANCED BUDGET.

The California Balanced Budget Act also provides for a fund of up to $5 billion that can be used to PAY THESE BONDS OFF EARLY. It also provides for a RESERVE of at least $8 billion, which can be used to PREVENT FUTURE DEFICITS.

Last year, the state approved $12.9 billion in bonds to retire the accumulated budget deficit. The courts have declared one bond issuance unconstitutional and the other is subject to legal challenge because they were not approved by voters. Since then, the state has accumulated a larger budget deficit. PROPOSITION 57 WILL LEGALLY RESTRUCTURE AND REFINANCE THAT DEBT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE VOTERS.

Without this bond, the State of California may be out of cash by June. To deal with a calamity of that magnitude in such a short time frame, the only choice will be to drastically increase taxes. The California Economic Recovery Bond will let us refinance our inherited debt and give the state time to deal with its ongoing structural deficit.

The California Recovery Bond and the California Balanced Budget Act, Proposition 58, together will give California's leaders the tools necessary to restore confidence in the financial management of the State.

Please join Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, the California Taxpayers' Association, State Controller Steve Westly, the California Chamber of Commerce and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in supporting Proposition 57. It is the only way to ensure California's financial future.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, Governor
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LARRY MCCARTHY, President
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ALLAN ZAREMBERG, President
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Prop 58.

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State government spending in California is out of control. Over the past three years, state spending has significantly exceeded state revenues.

Proposition 58 will require the Governor and the California State Legislature to ENACT a BALANCED BUDGET. Right now, the Governor is only required to propose, not enact, a balanced budget. This loophole has led to the huge budget deficits that plague California.

The California Balanced Budget Act:
WILL require a BALANCED BUDGET;
WILL require that SPENDING NOT EXCEED INCOME each fiscal year;
WILL require general funds to be put in a "Rainy Day" fund to build a RESERVE to protect California from future economic downturns. The Budget Stabilization Account will also be used to pay off the California Economic Recovery Bond early;
WILL allow the Governor to call a fiscal emergency if revenues drop below expenditures or if expenditures exceed revenues; and
WILL prohibit the Legislature from acting on other legislation or adjourning if they fail to pass legislation to address the crisis.

California faces unprecedented budget deficits. Overspending has led to serious shortfalls which threatens the state's ability to pay its bills and access financial markets. This proposition is a safeguard against this EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. Proposition 58 will prevent the Legislature from ENACTING BUDGETS THAT SPEND MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE.

The California Balanced Budget Act will require, for the first time, the Governor and the Legislature to pass a BALANCED BUDGET. This proposition, along with the California Economic Recovery Bond Act, will give us the tools we need to resolve California's budget crisis.

As California faced unprecedented budget deficits for the last 3 years, the problem was ignored, spending exceeded revenues, and there was no process in place to address the fiscal crisis. Proposition 58 will allow the Governor to call a Special Session of the Legislature to deal with future fiscal crises. If the Legislature fails to act within 45 days, then they will not be able to recess and they will not be able to pass any other legislation. This will force the Governor and the Legislature to work together to find a solution to the problem BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

The California Recovery Bond, Proposition 57, and the California Balanced Budget Act, Proposition 58, together will give California's leaders the tools necessary to restore confidence in the financial management of the State.

Please join Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, State Controller Steve Westly, Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, the California Chamber of Commerce, the California Taxpayers' Association, and all 80 members of the California State Assembly-both Republicans and Democrats-and support Proposition 58.

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, Governor
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HERB J. WESSON, JR., Speaker
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JENNY OROPEZA, Chairwoman
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Comrade, argue against him. We've been throwing around the same two tired quotes for so long. We need him to make some new ones.
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