CIA sabotaged Soviet Union in 1982 - Page 3

mrmitchell · February 27, 2004, 21:17

It's a good idea though. In effect, they paid us to hurt them.

Shogun Gunner · February 27, 2004, 21:18

the classic "double whammy"

DinoDoc · February 27, 2004, 23:07

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Originally posted by Oncle Boris

No it's not. USSR was not a threat,

Liar.

SpencerH · February 27, 2004, 23:52

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The main factor, however, was the internal contradiction of socialist economy without a socialist government. Most of the rest of the stuff merely hastened the end.

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The main factor was that the members of the soviet government were as corrupt as every other government and stole more than their poorly managed (ie shithole) economy could generate.

My addition:

The western governments steal just as much but there is less interference with the economy (so there is more money to go around).

Thank god for port (I've run out of gin)!

Barinthus · February 28, 2004, 00:04

I finally got to read that article. Fascinating! Perhaps this did cause things to worsen in terms of the Soviet paranoia but that 's hindsight.

At that time, what do you expect Americans to do? Just let it slide? I find this completely justified.

Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 02:29

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Originally posted by DataAeolus
Perhaps this did cause things to worsen in terms of the Soviet paranoia but that 's hindsight.

Oh god

Anyway, Russia would appreciate some help now. Despose of Putin!

Oncle Boris · February 28, 2004, 02:42

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And a bad one. 0.1/10

No. Russia never, ever considered South America, Southern Asia, or Africa, to be within its sphere of influence. Believe it or not, most communist guerillas had popular support but failed because of the lack of commitment from the USSR. If the USSR had been more agressive, South America and Africa would be communist today.

Castro received help from them 1-2 years after he rose to power. America had had nukes within range of Soviet territory long before they even considered putting some in Cuba.

The USSR believed its 'territory' to be Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. At the same time, America was fvcking everything worldwide, funding dictators and making sure the Corporations would get access to the mines.

It's not a bad troll. Throughout the Cold War, the USSR was mainly REACTING to American provocation.

Imran Siddiqui · February 28, 2004, 03:02

Yes, can we ask the Polish, Czechs, Latvians, etc, etc about that? Yes, so not a threat that they never funded Communists in other parts of the world at all. They never had spys in the US State Department. Of course not... no threat at all

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Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 03:06

The US never commited ANY negative action during the cold war

Perhaps the White House needs to re-educate you Fakeboris

Oncle Boris · February 28, 2004, 03:22

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yes, can we ask the Polish, Czechs, Latvians, etc, etc about that?

I said they considered EASTERN EUROPE to be part of their domain, not the whole world. Are you lacking reading skills?

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Yes, so not a threat that they never funded Communists in other parts of the world at all.

They did it with much less insistance than the US did with their own thugs. That is the reason why Communism failed to spread widely- because of America's stronger commitment. I mean, who sent 500,000 men to Vietnam? Who sent ships to blockade Cuba?

Now, do you expect a superpower to completely ignore potential allies? Neither you or I do. My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy. EE was their playground, period- probably not Africa, and definitely and certainly not South America. Their foreign policy was misinterpreted and played upon for propaganda (very successful propaganda, seeing how people are reacting to my 'troll'.

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They never had spys in the US State Department. Of course not... no threat at all

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Where did I say that? Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 03:24

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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Where did I say that? Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

OK, I wouldn't go that far.

Barinthus · February 28, 2004, 03:53

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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy.

That motto "Workers of the World, Unite!" and the formation of Comintern probably kind of threw the West off.

Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 04:08

The West isn't very smart then, are they?

But then again, everyone knows

The Mad Monk · February 28, 2004, 04:48

Having your leader shout "We will bury you!" wasn't exactly MENSA-grade material, either.

Imran Siddiqui · February 28, 2004, 04:49

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I said they considered EASTERN EUROPE to be part of their domain, not the whole world.

USSR was not a threat

Was to them. Of course it ain't imperialism if its close to home

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That is the reason why Communism failed to spread widely- because of America's stronger commitment.

So you are mad because the US was more successful than the Soviets in installing its own loyal governments around the world?

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the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy. EE was their playground, period- probably not Africa, and definitely and certainly not South America.

Africa? Does Angola ring a bell at all? And it wasn't like the Commies didn't help back socialists in Chile and Nicaragua. Oh wait... I guess they did. That whole Comintern thing and backing of foriegn communists doesn't exactly make your claim seem very truthful

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Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

Infiltrating a great amount of another country's government agencies is bit more than the normal course.

Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 04:50

First Angola....then Nicaragua!!!

The Commie world domination plot finally exposed!!!!!

Imran Siddiqui · February 28, 2004, 04:59

Just as much as some off the deep end posters think about the US world domination plot.

Drake Tungsten · February 28, 2004, 05:12

Yet more proof that Reagan brought down the Evil Empire, solidifying his position as the greatest American president.

The Andy-Man · February 28, 2004, 10:09

what about 1996

Barinthus · February 28, 2004, 10:45

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Having your leader shout "We will bury you!" wasn't exactly MENSA-grade material, either.

So if the Soviets were not threatening like the West made out them to be despite those lines they used, I suppose we can infer that next time Russia say such threatening things there's nothing to worry about. She's just acting like that blowfish, puffing herself up to make her look bigger and dangerous.

Perhaps the Soviet paranoia and the West's paranoia fed upon each other, giving fuel to each other's fire? The communist rheotric to have workers unite and overthrow their oppressors along with the clamping of the Iron Curtain across Europe and the attempt to communistize the rest of Europe did not exactly send friendly signals to the West. Of course the West were concerned - after all USSR is a huge and powerful country. She has provided twice that in a war against a superior enemy, she can afford to endure a war of attrition. The West had to react agains this Bear on her borders who were making those threatening noises.

Serb · February 28, 2004, 10:52

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
First Angola....then Nicaragua!!!

The Commie world domination plot finally exposed!!!!!

Serb · February 28, 2004, 10:55

Oops, forget to add something.

mrmitchell · February 28, 2004, 12:54

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Having your leader shout "We will bury you!" wasn't exactly MENSA-grade material, either.

Wasn't that due to a translation mistake or something?

Anyway, yeah, they sure buried us.

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Just as much as some off the deep end posters think about the US world domination plot.

Thanks for admitting you're comparable to an off the deep end poster.

ErikM · February 28, 2004, 13:39

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
Having your leader shout "We will bury you!" wasn't exactly MENSA-grade material, either.

- Wasn't that due to a translation mistake or something?

No. But he meant economically, not militarily. As in "capitalism will not survive economic competition with socialism".

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
Anyway, yeah, they sure buried us.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings

The Andy-Man · February 28, 2004, 13:54

yeah, don't discount communism.

Cuba is poised to take over the world, if you did but know it...

OliverFA · February 28, 2004, 14:01

USSR was sabotaging Russia for more than 70 years...

Smart guy Mr. Reagan!

Harry Tuttle · February 28, 2004, 16:19

"My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy."

Oh dear........

You know, with an education like that, I'm surprised the West didn't fall. Kudos to you FB. On top of it all as always.

The Andy-Man · February 28, 2004, 16:28

and. as i keep asking, WHAT WAS SOP SPECIAL ABOUT 1996!!!!

Nubclear · February 28, 2004, 16:32

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Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
"My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy."

Oh dear........

You know, with an education like that, I'm surprised the West didn't fall. Kudos to you FB. On top of it all as always.

We all know Cuba is just a staging ground for the INVASION OF THE US!!!11!!!1

THE PERESTROIKA DECEPTION!

DanS · February 28, 2004, 16:49

One question that I have is whether similar actions are justified against current enemies. For instance, is it OK to sabotage the technology that the Iranians and North Koreans either buy or steal?