I am a liar and a demagogue

[Spiffor]

As you guys probably know, I'm a candidate in the local elections happening at the end of the month. There is no chance whatsoever for the Commie I am to win in this diehard right-wing town, but I do the campaign nonetheless.

More often than not, people are pleased to encounter a young candidate, a 23-years-old who is involved in politics that much (regardless of my political ideas). Many people are also neutral, and don't care at all.

But I sometimes encounter some person who insults me on basis of my political beliefs. I was verbally assaulted and threatened once, by the owner of the supermarket on which's parking lot I distributed fliers.

But I am currently annoyed by someone who called me a "turncoat", a "liar" and a "demagogue" This someone is a former comrade who showed me a few things during my first years in the party - I supposed he thought of himself as my mentor.
He since left the party because he disagreed with its evolution, and joined a group of comrades disgruntled just as he was.

On the occasional encounter since I'm a candidate, he called me repeatedly a "turncoat" because I chose to stay in the party and to be active in it. Of course, he never bothered to listen to my opinion.

But what really hit the nail is when I called him because I had just recieved a paper from a disgruntled group saying they'd support the party's candidate in this one election. As soon as he heard his group supported us, he explained me it was a sound decision, that the position we currently hold must be kept etc.

The day after, it turned out, he calls me back saying I have lied to him and manipulated him, and that he won't support me at all. It turned out I mistook one disgruntled group with another

I tried to call him back, but he hung up immediately. I am pretty pissed at him right now, because I always held him with more respect than that. His behaviour is completely sectarian and stubborn, and it really annoys me to think I have thought better of such a guy

[yavoon]

omg drama in the commies! who likes whom!

[Spiffor]

I don't know for you, but I find it pretty annoying to be treated like dirt, and not listened to at all, by someone I held in quite high regard. It is generally a displeasing feeling for human people.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't know for you, but I find it pretty annoying to be treated like dirt, and not listened to at all, by someone I held in quite high regard. It is generally a displeasing feeling for human people.

yah u tell him brother! he has no right to disrespect ur personhood!

[alva]

Sorry to hear that Spiff, anyone who comes out for his opinion should always be respected.

You go kick his little sad butt
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What the Frencg word for a 'turncoat' btw?

[Spiffor]

It's not a noun, but an expression "il a retourné sa veste" (he turned his coat).

[Az]

He sounds like a drama queen. send him to the gulags ignore him.

[chequita guevara]

Let it go. Sux, but that's politics. Despite the fact I think the PCF are social democratic traitors to communism (), the truth is these guys are gonna be nothing. Half of them will drift away from politics altogether. The rest will form a tiny little sect of no consequence.

VOTE LCR! VOTE Lutte Ouvrier!

[Spiffor]

Quiet you! I'm PCF!

And yes, I intend to ignore him now. These guys aren't even gonna join an actual political formation close to their ideas. They'll just moan, demanding the PCF, and no other, to become a revolutionary party again. Given their methods (insulting everybody they disagree with), I strongly doubt they'll ever be listened.

The worse is that they say one thing that is right: the PCF has become way too social-democratic, and still hasn't understood completely it is stupid to accept any arrangement to belong to a left-wing government The problem is that this actual message is held by sectarians

[Imran Siddiqui]

I am currently annoyed by someone who called me a "turncoat", a "liar" and a "demagogue"

Hmm, when I first read this (Red this? ), I didn't think it was another Commie. Funny that, the people more on the right-wing of you are treating you with respect, but those more or less on your side are treating you like dirt. Very interesting indeed.

[Az]

I won't mind a commie party joining a coalition government, as long as our demands are met, such as nationalization of the means of production, free health care, and free education.

[Richelieu]

That guy better hope you're not the Mafia...

[Imran Siddiqui]

And then Az woke up .

[chequita guevara]

Oh him, he's the Judean People's Front . . . SPLITTER!!

[Az]

That's me, a traitor of the cause.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Hmm, when I first read this (Red this? ), I didn't think it was another Commie.

Well, things get heated more often when we're on the same side, because we don't force ourselves to have a polite debate.

Besides, we commies have a long history of sectarianism, and hurling insults to the neighbour's group simply because the leader is not the same, because they don't agree with one word we hold for extremely important, or crap like that. The French far left has done a terrific job recently into rooting out this sectarianism, and they are know able to work together while acknowledging they aren't exactly the same

Besides, the Communist Party of Apolyton is very trailblazing in this regard, because we are all united under the same banner despite having revolutionaries, council commies, pure socialists, stalinists etc. If we were in real life, we'd be yelling at each other and hurling insults constantly

[Az]

Nah. I let my politics and friendships at different levels. Besides, our goals are similar, and that's what really matters.

[Imran Siddiqui]

we commies have a long history of sectarianism

Which is why commies will never win. Capitalism triumphs again!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Besides, the Communist Party of Apolyton is very trailblazing in this regard, because we are all united under the same banner despite having revolutionaries, council commies, pure socialists, stalinists etc.

If we could spread this to the real world, we'd earn ourselves a place in history. I think I could live with that.

[Arrian]

Radicals hate to compromise. Hence the bitter infighting over seemingly small differences.

Che, could you really live with it? Given the venom I've seen from you for moderates (aka, liberal compromisers), I'm not sure you really could.

-Arrian

[Az]

because moderates aren't socialists. Not even social democrats.

[Az]

I meant that moderates aren't social democrats, and not that social democrats aren't socialists ( But that's true as well )

[Spiffor]

"Moderates", at least in the American meaning I fathomed here, seem to favour capitalism while including some humane concerns in, and progressive social policies (such as gay marriage and abortion).

They are less different from us than outright conservatives, but they are definietely not on our side.

[Boris Godunov]

Wait, he left and formed his own group, and you're the turncoat? Interesting logic.

Screw him. Spit in his face when next you meet!

[Ben Kenobi]

Spiffor:

The guy probably wasn't a Conservative. Conservatives care little about what the Communists do.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Arrian
Che, could you really live with it?

What Az said.

[Az]

The real problem with the left is not sectarianism. it's that post modernist crap.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by alva
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What the French word for a 'turncoat' btw?

I would say *transfuge*.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Wait, he left and formed his own group, and you're the turncoat? Interesting logic.

So you think so too?

The logic behind it is that his group holds the true principles of the Party, while the current party is led by usurpers. Ergo, all those who follow the party are turncoats, as they are following the usurpers

[DAVOUT]

Poor Spiffor, you discover that commies are sectarian and stubborn ... All the most famous stalinist of the fifties are now recognizing that they know the truth but stick to the party line.

I like young people with generous ideas, but what need you have to join the PCF?