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Old March 15, 2004, 15:30   #361
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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all that un corruption. so much worse than *cough* halliburton overcharging, or bechtel, or...
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and hell, bush is having guests in the licoln bedroom.

i remember when that was such a huge deal and a breach of ethics when clinton was doing it...
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all that un corruption. so much worse than *cough* halliburton overcharging, or bechtel, or...
No, halliburton, bechtel good... UN bad. Well Halliburton made a mistake its charging but they are still good.
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If AQ succeeds, what does that tell you about the effectiveness of the Patriot Act under the hands of Bush?
So fire Bush, but don't repeal the Act.

Kerry is calling for its repeal, by God. Every American has to be concerned about that.
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all the bad un corruption takes less money out of my pocket than the bad halliburton, bechtel corruption.

i care more about them than i do the un, precisely because i don't pay as much for the un, and i don't have to receive any of the un's services.
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so we fire bush and hire kerry.

and kerry is calling for a repeal. does that necessarily mean that he'll get it?

kerry could do it with executive orders, but then again, it would be very bad for him politically.

he'd have to go through congress--and you think a republican-dominated congress would allow that?
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Yes, concerned that there are still some politicians which defend that God-awful piece of legislation.
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So fire Bush, but don't repeal the Act.

Kerry is calling for its repeal, by God. Every American has to be concerned about that.
Good for Kerry. He does not even need to repeal it-just let it die when it is slated to die, which is next year.
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bush's slight towards germany is deafeaning in meaning. germany could have been at least as useful as the spaniards. or could it be that our boy bush is finally learning how useful friends and allies can be, along with decent diplomacy?

skorea has elections coming up later this year. as does america. and yet, i don't expect terrorist attacks at all. this is not to say we shouldn't be prepared, but to be in a sort of panic state about it, as you seem to be, ned, is rather silly. OMFG OMFG OMFG THERE WAS A BOMBING IN SPAIN RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTIONS SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE ONE TOO!!!!!!!

calm down. put your trust in our boys. we're not going to have an attack, because as odd as some suggestions might have been (duct tape and plastic sheets), or as blatantly useless as others are (huge machines in the airports), i think our defense will do just fine.

or do you not have faith in bush your Dear Leader?

now, one note. i don't see an attack in either of the east asian nations simply because they have absolutely tiny muslim populations, both are rather high-tech, and one has been in a seige mentality for years with experience in terrorism, while the other has had its share of terrorist attacks.
The Asian nations will receive a pass because they are not Christian.

As to an al Qaeda attack on the US, I hope that Bush stops it. But I am sure al Qaeda will try.
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why should we keep the patriot act around? convince me, ned.
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they are not thought of as christian. skorea's about half christian.
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C cubed, we should await testimony on how it has been used to stop attacks. Kerry wants it repealed regardless of its effectiveness.
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C cubed, we should await testimony on how it has been used to stop attacks. Kerry wants it repealed regardless of its effectiveness.
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Zuma, I think I should stick around. Somebody told me I bring a lot of life to this forum.
Yep.

We all piss ourselves laughing whenever you lose the plot, act like a tw@t and get yourself banned...

Pretty much whenever you show up on Poly really...

Welcome back!

We missed you!
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But what about Halliburton corruption? Can Iraq trust the US?

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So fire Bush, but don't repeal the Act.

Kerry is calling for its repeal, by God. Every American has to be concerned about that.

From Kerry's website

"KEEP PROVISIONS THAT HELP THE WAR ON TERRORISM. The Patriot Act gave law enforcement some important new tools after 9/11, including: increasing penalties for terrorism, adding new federal crimes on terrorism, limiting statue of limitations for investigating terrorist crime, and permits prosecution of Federal crimes committed overseas. John Kerry believes we must keep these types of provisions. "

this after pointing out some provisions that he WOULD repeal. (like secret monitoring of attorney client conversations, and detaining US CITIZENS as unlawful combatants)

Interestingly, the list of what he would repeal, combined with what he would keep still leaves out many provisions of the Patriot Act (for example wrt to wiretaps,etc) So theres quite a lot of it that he has not yet commited himself on.
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I would say that the concern about a UN role in Iraq has less to do with monetary corruption, and more to do with political biases the UN has in the region. Much depends on exactly who represents the UN in the region, and on the degree of UNSC influence on any given UN representative.
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LotM, the only provisions he would scrap are those provisions that help detect and PREVENT a terrorist act.
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I see.

Prior to the vote, the left says Spain was attacked becuase it helped Bush on Iraq.

After, the election, they deny this. Somehow the attack had nothing to do with Iraq.

Further, the election results shifting from the PP to the socialists had nothing to do with the attack.

All this hypocrisy in a mere 48 hours.
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Yup, so many hypocrites.. who surrendered my country to Al Qaeda.
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but I see Ned has turned this thread into a Kerry-bashing thread.
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Yup, so many hypocrites.. who surrendered my country to Al Qaeda.
Of course, this was their motivation when voting for the PSOE.
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Is this a political victory for al-Qaida ? Does the coaltion begin to unravel now? Or does this even matter?
No doubt it is.

Spain has surrendered to terrorism. Just like when people offer to pay the Mafia for protection. They will forget us during some time. Probably the next objective is USA. Now that they know that they have the power to change governments they will try to prevent Mr. Bush´s reelection.

Terrorists have achieved everything they wanted.

- They kill people they hate.
- They terorize the other people who are alive.
- They change a government who would pursue them, effectively gaining more freedom of action.
- And they demosntrate that terror works

Spain people have what they deserve. I´m just sorry for the 9,5 million of Spanish who don´t deserve it.
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I see.

Prior to the vote, the left says Spain was attacked becuase it helped Bush on Iraq.

After, the election, they deny this. Somehow the attack had nothing to do with Iraq.

Further, the election results shifting from the PP to the socialists had nothing to do with the attack.

All this hypocrisy in a mere 48 hours.

I see. The Right and the Conservative Spanish government say the attack was the work of E.T.A.- all this despite E.T.A.'s denial, and an admission of guilt from an organisation linking itself to Al Qaeda and Moroccan Islamic extremists.

All this misinformation in a mere 48 hours, despite no conclusive forensic investigation.

Do you think the Right has oracular or telepathic powers we don't know about, Ned?
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