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Old March 15, 2004, 12:34   #1
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We need a government structure
I believe we really need a basic government structure. I propose we set up a temporary government like this:

Chairman - Voltaire (of course)
CMC - Rubin
CPC - HongHu
Ambassador - Arnelos
Turn player - Mead

The names I propose is based on how familiar one is with the game and time availability, as well as having SMAX.

I feel Arnelos is very good at diplomacy and by serving as the Hive Ambassador he would be able to post the war declaration with a glourious title.

Rubin is very experienced. Also Voltaire had appointed him to chair the CMC. So it really goes without saying that I believe he would the best candidate for CMC.

Mead and I can both be candidates for CPC. I would rather like Mead to continue to play the turns though. However if it is decided that Mead should temperarily not play the turn for CC's opposition, I think Mead can be responsible for the CPC while Rubin or I can play the turn.

I also propose the following rules:

1. The person who is responsible for each area must take responsibility and has final say on his area.

2. Before each turn CMC and CPC should summarize the situations, present options for discussion and setting up polls for decision. Before the turn player plays the turn CMC and CPC must post a specific set of orders. The orders must be followed by the turn player.

3. The Ambassador must be responsible for copying all messages to the team from various channels, such as PMs from other faction and posts in the embassies. At time of each diplomatic issues he should be responsible for the situations, present options for discussion and setting up polls for decision.

4. The turn player has authorities to make final decisions on any detailed movements and in game decisions, provided that he has followed orders from the team. He is responsible for posting the save before end turn and other screenshots necessary.
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Old March 15, 2004, 12:39   #2
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In addition, I propose the government officials for the above positions be elected every other months, perhaps starting from April. People can propose new candidates and Chairman Voltaire or somebody he designated can set up the polls of election.

If a person who is elected to a position fails to meet his responsibility, anybody in the team can raise the issue and present a substitute. And the team can prove the replacement with a poll even if it is not in the election period.
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Old March 15, 2004, 14:06   #3
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This will be like our 14th government reorgaisation...



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Only 14th?
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Old March 15, 2004, 14:42   #5
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You may be right

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Old March 15, 2004, 20:13   #6
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Agreed, not that there will be much diplomacy going on after we start our armageddon.

Btw, I have a logon at CGN because I was once the Ambassador of Apolyton to CGN in the Civ3 Inter-Site game... miccofl gave me access to some stuff courtesy of my position, which I have retained since I'm one of the Apolyton turnplayers. I think miccofl could probably give me access to the Hive-Drone embassy, but that would almost certainly not be appropriate.

So if you can tell buster to give me access to the Hive-Drone embassy forum there (same login name, "Arnelos"), that would be great.

This said, as with OctavianX, I may not always be entirely active because of the sheer number of DG's I'm in. Personally, I wouldn't mind a cooperative foreign policy outfit with OctavianX, since we can always hope that our times of hightened availability may complement one another (we would have to do a good job of coordinating with each other, though).

So I accept your government reorganization. As for titles, the Soviet Union had a "Foreign Minister", so that shouldn't be a problem. We also need an appropriate title for Mead... perhaps "Deputy Chairman"?
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/me says nothing *

You know why.

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A quick note, since I have time and I’m procrastinating since I do not feel like studying for my exam, I like the newest proposal and believe it should be implemented, though I would like to stress the importance of consensus and cooperation between the various Committees since we want to avoid conflict with the Hive government (which I think we’ve done a decent job of doing regardless).
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Yes agreed, Comrade HongHu! And Chairman Voltaire, I shall do my best striving for consensus and cooperation.

If this new structure is official I shall resume the duties as Chairman of the Central Military Committee ASAP.

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Old March 16, 2004, 01:14   #10
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I don’t see why we should not make this structure official, I’ll approve it. If anyone has objections as to why this structure should not be adopted post them now or forever hold your peace.
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Well, I just want to formalize things a bit.

Quote:
Chairman - Voltaire (of course)
CMC - Rubin
CPC - HongHu
Ambassador - Arnelos
Turn player - Mead
Would/should be more formally known as:

Chairman Voltaire of the Central Continuing Committee
Deputy Chairman Mead of the Central Continuing Committee
Chairman Rubin of the Central Military Committee
Chairwoman HongHu of the Central Planning Committee
Chairman Arenelos of the Central Foreign Affairs Committee

I must be bored...
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Chairman Voltaire of the Central Continuing Committee
Deputy Chairman Mead of the Central Continuing Committee
Chairman Rubin of the Central Military Committee
Chairwoman HongHu of the Central Planning Committee
Chairman Arenelos of the Central Foreign Affairs Committee
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If only I hadn't misspelled your name in that post.
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Who gets the final say in dispute when Chairman is not around: the deputy chairman or chair(wo)man of each department? Just want to make the rules set.
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I think I should get the final say in that case. It would "balance" the faction.

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If the Chairman is not around and has not appointed a person to be in charge for the period of his absence I think it best to delegate decisions on which compromises cannot be reached to a vote if time permits it, if not the decision will rest on the Deputy Chair(wo)man.
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Are we going to have elections later?
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Elections!

It will be just like playing a democracy game!

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Here's hope to you getting your deputy crown back. Write more poems, and act less inconsistently will you?
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As the winter ends -
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Not the haikus again!!!

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Jamski is perplexed -
The princess desired poems
And poems she got.

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Alas! What deep woe.
As the sun sinks in the sea,
The ears are not seen

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I propose we follow Plato’s advice in the Republic and ban poetry.
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I propose we follow Plato's advice in the Republic and ban warfare

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...that's a great idea, except well Plato never really proposed that...
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Rubbish! Show me where he didn't propose that!

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Rubbish! Show me where he didn't propose that!

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You can't prove it, can you?

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