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Trithemius · March 19, 2004, 23:38

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Originally posted by Makahlua
...thought you'd have to stay with me just to ensure your safety among the crews....the captains are civil enough but our lads are easily er, excited

I was going to volunteer to 'escort' Hong Hu since I am also a newly-minted pirate... er... "explorer".

Snowflake · March 20, 2004, 00:01

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Originally posted by Kody
Hey remember that time I was trying to explain that industry game I had come up and you two were busy spamming my rule discussion. I had an headache from reading something like 300 posts in 2 hours and I was shocked to find I had made over 100 posts in those 2 hours.

Happier DG days

I remember you were quite mad at me then because of my argueing about the rules with you. Didn't know that was a happy memory for you.

Now thinking back I do remember some discussions about defection may be allowed when everybody has infiltrated everybody ...
/me realized that everybody has not infiltrated everybody yet.

Wow we are still in such an early stage of the game.

Snowflake · March 20, 2004, 00:02

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Originally posted by Trithemius

I was going to volunteer to 'escort' Hong Hu since I am also a newly-minted pirate... er... "explorer".

Thanks for the offer anyway.

FlameFlash · March 20, 2004, 01:41

A two turn wait period does seem appropriate.

jtsisyoda · March 20, 2004, 02:13

I concur with FlameFlash.

Skanky Burns · March 20, 2004, 03:34

In all fairness, the two-turn wait idea was Kody's.

jtsisyoda · March 20, 2004, 03:43

Then FlameFlash and I concur with Kody?

Here's a hair. Split.

Skanky Burns · March 20, 2004, 05:14

Enigma_Nova · March 20, 2004, 07:00

Okay... I'm back from the shadows.
I don't remember the past, so no comment.
I suppose I still want a piece of the action here...

I wonder if there's a Cyconian position available.

Jamski · March 20, 2004, 08:43

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But you love me as a pessimist so I don't feel the need to change.

'Tis true.

/me has happy memories of Kody, Vev, HongHu, Octavian, Micha, Mead, Franky, etc... *

The Hive was a great team, and I'm proud to have been a member, and I'm always going to have good memories of it. It went downhill when the team became too focused on winnng the game, to the exclusion of having fun.

And I remember Kody straining at the flood control

-Jam

GeoModder · March 20, 2004, 12:01

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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
Okay... I'm back from the shadows.
I don't remember the past, so no comment.
I suppose I still want a piece of the action here...

I wonder if there's a Cyconian position available.

Spoiling for a fight, errr?

Despite all talks about changing factions here, there is still a rule. And as long as that rule is in effect, and even a teams authoriser refuses to admit 'defectors' from other factions on a wimp, no one should be allowed to move over. At least, not as long as their home faction exists.

As in general, IF that rule is trashed, a 2 turn waiting period seems appropriate for those moving to another faction. About leaking info, well, defectors are offen tempted by their new homeland to do so. It all depends for what reasons the 'defections' happen.

I hereby seek refugee asylum in the ~~censored~~ faction in case things become that bad...

buster · March 20, 2004, 21:42

This game has in my estimation passed the point where it will make any difference beyond the symbolic level and so I have no problem with anyone going anywhere. Besides that - the members involved here have to my knowledge behaved examplary and chose a proper moment to announce their disagreement with the rest of the team - so really they have my confidence.

For future games though I believe the "no defection" policy to be the correct one. Members changing allegiance halfway is just an invitation to endless quarrels and ballooning paranioa.

FlameFlash · March 21, 2004, 16:22

I disagree buster, if there's cause for such in this game, what says there won't be in the next at some crucial moment?

Nubclear · March 21, 2004, 18:08

With a "possible" war going on, any information leaked to the other side could be quite damaging

Octavian X · March 21, 2004, 20:55

I'm tempted to agree with Comrade Tassadar. If we are to allow defections at all (which I will add, were banned, after Tassadar jumped from Uni to the Hive when the game began), which I believe we should not, there should be a two, if not five, turn waiting period, as well as a strict gag order in regard to prior knowledge.

Then again, I'm still against defections. There's too much danger in it to think about, really. And, again, I'll point to our own god Tass's defection and the ban placed on them oh so long ago.

Mead · March 21, 2004, 21:03

I'm against it.

I didn't vote yet, but I thought the game worked as you stick with the faction you joined. Kind of like for better or worse.

Mead

Nubclear · March 21, 2004, 21:25

Anyone against it should vote for letting me decide...Since it's tied, and I'll say no, its a vote for no

Mead · March 21, 2004, 21:26

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Anyone against it should vote for letting me decide...Since it's tied, and I'll say no, its a vote for no

OK, I will try to vote.

Mead

Mead · March 21, 2004, 21:58

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Anyone against it should vote for letting me decide...Since it's tied, and I'll say no, its a vote for no

Tass,

I can't vote again.

Please add my vote to the No Vote.

Mead

Nubclear · March 21, 2004, 22:11

Changes made to the poll:
Subtracted 1 no vote (Mine) and put it over in the "Let Tass/Googlie Decide" column
Added 1 no vote
Added a 3 day timelimit (to make it a total of 5 days).

FlameFlash · March 21, 2004, 22:25

Why not strike the "no" totally now, then and add it's results to 'let Tass/Goog decide' and add the 'If CPU wants him' to the 'Yes' since you've already said that a 'no' can be for two choices and a yes is iffy as to being two choices...

If at the end it's too close to tell (yes/let CPU decide) vs (no/let Tass decide) (in either direction) we really need another poll to finalize, IMHO.

Nubclear · March 21, 2004, 23:06

Because, some people for whatever reason might now want me to decide.
If people want to change their no votes, then they'll have to tell me to do so.

FlameFlash · March 21, 2004, 23:22

Well, the thing is, Tass, I know I, for one, chose to vote for you and Goog to choose because I expected a little more... discussion prior to a decision (like actually waiting for the poll results and discussion to finalize) and deciding from there, kind of the xenobanana, but instead you come out and say "I'll clearly just say no".

Not what I was expecting, which is why just a new poll with clearer options would be better.

As it is, I'd have to request for my 'let the gods decide' to be changed to a clear yes, even though there needs to be some extra discussion as to the terms, which was why I voted 'let the gods decide' in the first place.

Nubclear · March 22, 2004, 00:02

Changed.

And the rationale for my decision has already been given....As if it wasn't clear enough

But I'll give it again:
Jamski knows a lot about the Hive. The Hive and the CyCon are having "tense relations".
Jamski, knowing all he knows about the Hive, might go to CyCon and reveal that information willingly or unwillingly.
He would know the locatino of every major base.....Perhaps what that base is building, what surrounds it, which bases have been given "priority" in the past, etc etc...
Imagine if military plans, diplomatic plans, heck even the password were given out....
Not only that, but we need to stick with one thing. If the rules are constantly changing....One minute spying is allowed, the next it isn't, the next it is....One minute defections are allowed, the next they aren't, the next they are, and the next they aren't....It's confusing, especially for new players or players who want to join the game.
And again, going back to the main point: What if information was leaked? Or perhaps covertly coerced? You may think I'm just being paranoid, however I, in my experience as CMN, do believe that this game has been rife with people who are willing to break the rules. Such a thing is much easier to see from above when looking at everything as a whole.

Thus, I don't think defections are a good idea and I also think if we make a rule, we should stick with it for at least till the end of the game instead of do this flip-flop thing.

Skanky Burns · March 22, 2004, 00:47

The game is nearing the end. Like it makes a difference at this point, as Buster stated. Besides, a 2-turn wait nullifies pretty much most of the inadvertant information giving - their info will be out of date. Deliberate cheating like giving passwords out does not require access to the private forums first, so is not a good reason for exclusion.

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As it is, I'd have to request for my 'let the gods decide' to be changed to a clear yes, even though there needs to be some extra discussion as to the terms, which was why I voted 'let the gods decide' in the first place.

Nubclear · March 22, 2004, 01:00

Ah, but we don't know how much longer the game will last. We don't know if it'll end next turn or if 20 turns will pass before it ends. Surprises can happen.
Second....If we're talking about important bases, base locations, etc....That's probablty not going to outdate for quite some time unless something major happens (In real world terms: Unless Moscow is nuked, Moscow will still remain the most important city in Russia.).
And again, at this point it makes the *most* difference. CyCon and the Hive are in a tense relationship, and if someone knew of the....strategies of the other, then it would completly mess things up if that got out.
And no, deliberate cheating doesn't require that, but people will go to many lengths in order to justify immoral behaviors and this just gives them more fodder...
And the point has already been made: Inadvertant release of information is most certainly a possibility and I would say even inevitable given the situation.

Trithemius · March 22, 2004, 01:17

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Changed.

And the rationale for my decision has already been given....As if it wasn't clear enough

But I'll give it again:
Jamski knows a lot about the Hive. The Hive and the CyCon are having "tense relations".
Jamski, knowing all he knows about the Hive, might go to CyCon and reveal that information willingly or unwillingly.
He would know the locatino of every major base.....Perhaps what that base is building, what surrounds it, which bases have been given "priority" in the past, etc etc...
Imagine if military plans, diplomatic plans, heck even the password were given out....
Not only that, but we need to stick with one thing. If the rules are constantly changing....One minute spying is allowed, the next it isn't, the next it is....One minute defections are allowed, the next they aren't, the next they are, and the next they aren't....It's confusing, especially for new players or players who want to join the game.
And again, going back to the main point: What if information was leaked? Or perhaps covertly coerced? You may think I'm just being paranoid, however I, in my experience as CMN, do believe that this game has been rife with people who are willing to break the rules. Such a thing is much easier to see from above when looking at everything as a whole.

Thus, I don't think defections are a good idea and I also think if we make a rule, we should stick with it for at least till the end of the game instead of do this flip-flop thing.

The answer is clear (to me)!

Jamski and all other defectors (Hong Hu?) should join PEACE. Its not like PEACE can make a lot of use of "sensitive military information" right now... although... I guess we could sell it...

MrWhereItsAt · March 22, 2004, 01:17

Just yes. I was not around for the poll Tass cites, and there have been many like me who joined since. I think it had a jaw-dropping result really, and I wonder what OTHER strange restrictive rules were voted in before we got here.

No chatting, no changing factions.... what were we supposed to do but kill each other through ill communication and tensions. I honestly do not know how long the game will last when/if there is only the Hive, PEACE and Drones left. The Drones have barely been seen here in ages, and most of the activity has been Hive and CPU. The Hive will kill the game with this war, for better or worse. They are already killing their numbers.

conmcb25 · March 22, 2004, 02:02

Oh guys

Jamski has ben authorized in CYCON since the day this thread was posted.

So why do we continue the debate?

He is in and I would hope Jamski would not share sensitive information, which I dont think he will.

So why do we continue talking about it?

Is this a +1 oppurtunity?, if so I guess Im in then

Nubclear · March 22, 2004, 02:11

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
No chatting, no changing factions....

You constantly misrepresent the no-chatting rule.

It's not no chatting...Its no chatting about clearly sensitive matters.

And no changing factions...I thought that was kind of common sense

No wonder the Civ3 Team game was so messed up