Hamas Founder KILLED - Page 4

Az · March 22, 2004, 05:22

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Really, why is that? Are my published sources completely off base, or are you, Azazel, planning to embark on a selfless program of impregnating every woman you see?

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I'm including the territories in the above count.

In that case, you're right, but Israel won't be contolling the territories in 20 years, anyway.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 05:22

once in a while i like to see that wa-hat goes around comes around...
this is one of those cases.
how many young man and women had to die because of this old man's mental disease. this one got what he deserved...

however : again, 8 people were wounded as 'collateral damage'. yet another example of how the idf stands towards palestinian civilians... so when the next bus blows up the right can say again how outraged they are, without giving a second thought of the causes of this misery.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 05:23

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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
We've got to admit the sad truth: when America finally hits its decline, and Europe is reluctant to project power, the jewish people will be surrounded and suffer a new Holocaust.

Founding Israel was perhaps one of the most stupid idea of the 20th century.

an idea is not made stupid by lunatic fundamentalists and their genocidal ways.

Nubclear · March 22, 2004, 05:24

Yes, it is.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 05:25

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Originally posted by dannubis
once in a while i like to see that wa-hat goes around comes around...
this is one of those cases.
how many young man and women had to die because of this old man's mental disease. this one got what he deserved...

however : again, 8 people were wounded as 'collateral damage'. yet another example of how the idf stands towards palestinian civilians... so when the next bus blows up the right can say again how outraged they are, without giving a second thought of the causes of this misery.

if the buses stopped blowing up the missiles would stop firing.

not the other way around tho. think about it, it matters.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 05:26

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Yes, it is.

help me find a smiley face to appropriately convey my disdain and refutal of ur post.

Az · March 22, 2004, 05:29

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however : again, 8 people were wounded as 'collateral damage'. yet another example of how the idf stands towards palestinian civilians... so when the next bus blows up the right can say again how outraged they are, without giving a second thought of the causes of this misery.

8 people were wounded.

Of course, I am sure you have better ideas how to kill him or capture him, without any harm done.

Nubclear · March 22, 2004, 05:31

Why do you even need to go after him?
It appears to be making things not better.

Drake Tungsten · March 22, 2004, 05:32

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You may be right, considering the steady stream of Jews from Russia.

The stream of Jews from France might increase in the future, as well.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 05:33

no, frankly i don't
but i wouldn't wound 8 people to get 1 man, i can tell you that much

this very post shows your view on the value of the live of a 'normal' palestian citizen, now doesn't it ?

and yavoon
busses would be blown up at a significant lesser rate if the average palestinian actually had something to live for ...

Harovan · March 22, 2004, 05:37

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The stream of Jews from France might increase in the future, as well.

I'm sure there will be a steady stream of trolls from America and Japan as well.

Drake Tungsten · March 22, 2004, 05:41

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I'm sure there will be a steady stream of trolls from America and Japan as well.

While that's a safe bet, I wasn't trolling in this particular case. Shocking, I know.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 05:49

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Originally posted by dannubis
no, frankly i don't
but i wouldn't wound 8 people to get 1 man, i can tell you that much

this very post shows your view on the value of the live of a 'normal' palestian citizen, now doesn't it ?

and yavoon
busses would be blown up at a significant lesser rate if the average palestinian actually had something to live for ...

how does that IN ANY WAY address my question? obviously u've inserted ur own view into my statement.

1)I didnt say nething about lessening the rate
2)I didnt mention "live for" which is ridiculously convenient.

look the entire arab world is a craphole. what are we suppose to do? hand them money? the rest of the arab world would be in a similarly craptastic situation if they didnt have oil to feed them.

if the palestinians want something to live for, why not stop being murderous hooligans who follow a religion of hate and oppression. THAT MIGHT GET THE BALL ROLLING.

Az · March 22, 2004, 05:54

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no, frankly i don't
but i wouldn't wound 8 people to get 1 man, i can tell you that much

No matter what?

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this very post shows your view on the value of the live of a 'normal' palestian citizen, now doesn't it ?

How much do you want the IDF to value it? infinitely? There is the value of the Israeli civilians as well, to consider, and this man, in his coordination, and spiritual guidance, certainly contributed to the deaths of many.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 05:58

ok, let me rephraze it

which of your two governements is democratic and actually has control over its armed forces : yours

which country has actually an industry to financially back up its policies : yours

so who do you think has the power to change things : you

not those murderous hooligans who following the religion of hate and oppression because it is the only thing that they have left...

I AM pleased that one of the leaders who was milking this sentiment to further his own glory is dead.

But it is up to you guys to for once in your history reach out a helping hand to your neighbours.

Az · March 22, 2004, 06:00

actually, 7 more people were KILLED, ( including his body guards), Yet I still don't it as anything but ethical. I sure would like to avoid as many deaths as possible, but still. Let's, even forget the ethical background of the man's action: By law, when targetting an enemy inside a civilian territory, the military must:
a) attempt to not hurt any civilians.
b) if that's not possible, try to assess the cost/benefit of that action. If he was just a Hamas peon, of course that would be unlawful, but this is not the case.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 06:01

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Originally posted by dannubis
ok, let me rephraze it

which of your two governements is democratic and actually has control over its armed forces : yours

which country has actually an industry to financially back up its policies : yours

so who do you think has the power to change things : you

not those murderous hooligans who following the religion of hate and oppression because it is the only thing that they have left...

I AM pleased that one of the leaders who was milking this sentiment to further his own glory is dead.

But it is up to you guys to for once in your history reach out a helping hand to your neighbours.

yes because never before in the history of western civilization has the west HELPED ANYONE....EVER...SERIOUSLY...IF WE JUST DID IT ONCE OUR PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED.

k yah that caps felt good.

all evil needs to thrive is for good men to do nothing. the arab world appears to be full of good men doing nothing. so this is what they get. like anyone will chime in, **** needs to be changed from within, it can only be bludgeoned crudely from outside. so ur idea that us handing them flowers will make it all better is simply not going to work.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 06:03

tell that to the parents or children of the people who died while the idf was taking out it's target ...

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 06:07

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Originally posted by dannubis
tell that to the parents or children of the people who died while the idf was taking out it's target ...

they live in an extraordinarily unjust land. oppression is rampant, cruelty is inherent and tennets that keep the first two in place are practiced w/ religious devotion.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 06:08

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Originally posted by yavoon

yes because never before in the history of western civilization has the west HELPED ANYONE....EVER...SERIOUSLY...IF WE JUST DID IT ONCE OUR PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED.

k yah that caps felt good.

all evil needs to thrive is for good men to do nothing. the arab world appears to be full of good men doing nothing. so this is what they get. like anyone will chime in, **** needs to be changed from within, it can only be bludgeoned crudely from outside. so ur idea that us handing them flowers will make it all better is simply not going to work.

yeah, your current approach does seem to get the job done ...

however, it's in your country that you jave to be afraid to take the bus, go out at night to a bar or do whatever you want

so, if you feel you're on the right way, be my guest to continue. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. It takes two to fight, so you brought it both upon yourselves, and you are both wrong.

and i don't need caps to make my point.

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 06:11

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Originally posted by dannubis

yeah, your current approach does seem to get the job done ...

however, it's in your country that you jave to be afraid to take the bus, go out at night to a bar or do whatever you want

so, if you feel you're on the right way, be my guest to continue. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. It takes two to fight, so you brought it both upon yourselves, and you are both wrong.

and i don't need caps to make my point.

u have three simultaneous dillusions in this thread.

its two for love and one for war.

that somehow ur way is going to change anything.

and more generally there is some magical way that will make life better.

what if u were getting ur children blown up by a ppl who's stated goal was to kill every last one of u? would u hand them a flower? how many flowers would u hand them so they would do u the favor of blowing up fewer buses full of civilians?

Az · March 22, 2004, 06:11

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tell that to the parents or children of the people who died while the idf was taking out it's target ...

Tell that to the families of the people who's deaths he sponsored.

sentimentality that is not needed for this discussion.

dannubis · March 22, 2004, 06:14

no, indeed not, harsh reality

because it are those people that will blow themselves up in order to get their revenge

yavoon · March 22, 2004, 06:16

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Originally posted by dannubis
no, indeed not, harsh reality

because it are those people that will blow themselves up in order to get their revenge

they don't need the rockets to get recruits. like has been pointed out, they have plenty. the infidels are in their holy land. they are going to kill them.

Az · March 22, 2004, 06:33

dannubis, they have shitloads of recruits. I've pointed it out earlier in this thread. The "cycle of violence" theory doesn't hold water.

Pax · March 22, 2004, 06:44

Azazel,
in your opinion are the policies of your government successfully solving the problem you guys have with the palestinians? Are the policies of your government solving the issues with all the countries surrounding yours that do not like your country. This is not an attack. I'm just curious as to whether you are happy with the progress your country is making towards peace and tranquility in the region.

Az · March 22, 2004, 06:46

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in your opinion are the policies of your government successfully solving the problem you guys have with the palestinians? Are the policies of your government solving the issues with all the countries surrounding yours that do not like your country. This is not an attack. I'm just curious as to whether you are happy with the progress your country is making towards peace and tranquility in the region.

Well, if we look at the progress in the last 55 years, we sure have made a lot of progress.

Sandman · March 22, 2004, 08:12

Looks like the Israeli security forces have been a bit too successful in stopping terrorists for Sharon's liking. This should stir up a few choice suicide bombings so he can renege on his 'commitment' to end the Gaza settlements.

Traianvs · March 22, 2004, 08:24

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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Ahhh, sorry Player but we have repeated examples of super small countries like Rome and England doing things like, ohh, taking over most of the world.

Rome was first a city state, and at that time it fought against opponents the same size. Only when they defeated their counterpart Carthage they started expanding rapidly, and Romans soon began to include all Italians. And later under Caracalla the entire empire was considered 'Roman'. Rome was more than just that one city, that under emperor Traianus consisted of about 1-1,2 million inhabitants. At that time an enormous amount.

Most big cities such as Seleucia or Alexandria etc had around 200 000 inhabitants (and they were considered huge cities), and places like Pompei with only around 13 000 inhabitants or so were seen as 'cities' and not as villages like we would do now.

I would not consider Rome as a super small country.

PS: England at the time was one of the biggest and most powerful countries as well so I don't see what you mean there

Az · March 22, 2004, 08:40

Actually, Trajanus, I think that even before the destruction of carthage, Roman homeland included all of campagnia (sp?), as well.