Tales from the New Millennium European Diplomatic Front - Page 5

March 22, 2001, 05:49

I think we should move to turn-based in this game, now - to allow strategic negotiating and the odd war in a more enjoyable way LOL

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Berzerker · March 22, 2001, 06:56

After building a special university for visiting scientist, Sir Isaac Newton, the German people became drunk with joy celebrating into the wee hours of the next century. The excessive revelry cost us dearly for the Western Alliance somehow managed to send another scientist on a voyage to the new world to attain "proof" for a theory of evolution one of our own was working on. The technological boost deriving from the revelation that our Uncle might be a monkey has propelled the sneaky westerners far ahead in technology.

Meanwhile, the poor Turks who cannot even trade with the world due to gremlins possessing their camel herds have been attacked by the Austrians and Russians. The 10 or 20 year war has resulted in substantial losses for the Turks who have put out a bounty on the heads of the heads of state of their enemies.

Damn Ozzy, right a book will you

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finbar · March 22, 2001, 07:05

Ozzy, Deity and I ran into some rather major communication problems in today's session. At one point, I couldn't contact either of them via the FM window. Very, very hairy.

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Curumbor Elendil · March 22, 2001, 14:37

City bribing is against the rules.

Negotiations problems hit the Austrians too when trying to get gunpowder from the French.

Date: 573 AD

After the Declaration of the Rights of Man in Budapest, the democratic revolutionaries escalated the cycle of violence, each new Jacobin Council producing more radical leaders, until the Reign of Terror under Mr. Hans Franz Josef exploded with the arrival of a military leader: Adolf "Napoleon" Hitler. A Viennese artisan by trade, Hitler was steeped in nationalistic ideology and belief in the supremacy of the High German (i.e., Austro-Bavarian) race. In 573 AD he seized power in Vienna by setting fire to the Parliament building and blaming it on the Monarchists. The Jacobins were again viewed as ineffectual in stamping out reactionaries, and a radical Jacobin party led by Hitler seized power. Their ideology of one-party democratic racial centralism would later be known as Fascism.

Under Fascist control, the buggies, carts, and carriages began to arrive on time. While scientific research was totally neglected, leaving Austria a relative backwater in that sense, cash poured into the state's coffers as citizens lovingly dedicated their life savings to the cause of Austrian world domination. Throughout the empire, Old High German was enforced as the only allowable language. Speaking Slavic or Magyar was punishable by death. Ethnically German settlers were settled throughout the empire, and Budapest was cleansed of Magyars. The cleansing took place through ad hoc "gang-pressing" of Slavs, Magyars, and other "undesirables" into the army. A crusade against the brown-skinned, racially inferior Turks was being planned. Austria felt it had been picked on by the Mohametan infidels throughout history, and now that they had a powerful leader, it was time for revenge.

An alliance was settled with the Russians, who also had grievances against repeated Turkish territorial intrusions. In AD 842 the Russians declared war on the Turks following Turkish rejection of a Russian ultimatum. After a long siege, the Russians took the city of Van, and a treaty was signed in 862, thus ending what became known as the Twenty Years' War.

The war between the Austrians and Turks lasted much longer. In 877 Austrian troops pillaged and razed the entire Izmir region, the formerly great capital of this region, Drobeta, burning to the ground as hundreds of thousands of refugees fled north and west.

Following this successful offensive, the war turned largely into a stalemate while the Austrians repaired their armies. The Turks undertook several successful naval bombardments in Thessaly, but the capital city withstood attack after the Austrians bought knowledge of Physics and Steam Engine from their German allies and were able to build a fleet of ironclads to defend the city.

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markusf · March 22, 2001, 15:04

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City bribing is against the rules.

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Rules are made to be broken.

Crustacian · March 22, 2001, 20:19

What? This news of an atrocity can not be true!! We did gift to our neighbors the Austrian's for the purpose of liberating territory encroachments of the Turks (6) lancer units, ONLY! And never authorised any destruction of caravans on Russ soil, nor anywhere else for that matter.

If the Austrians will not replace any destroyed caravans then I Crusty the Russky will, and in haste. F. J. what of this? There is some doubt as to these rumors, since there was the sound of not a few caravans dumping off goods in our cities.

The Turk's are still our friends despite their temporary delirium regarding cities on previously claimed Russ lands. These differances have been negotiated with great haggling even resulting in the 20 Years War, and will have been ironed out completely so to speak when any cities on Crimea are reduced to the one original, any others Markusf the Turk has graciously agreed to delete ASAP. This will be the only city of the Turk's allowed on our claimed lands as its presence is of mutual benefit.

Again, if it is true that Austrian troops on Russian soil have destroyed any Turkish caravans, these must be replaced! If not by the Austrians, then by the Russ.

Other items in the news this week are the receeding ice caps are exposing many indications of a global deluge in the ancient past. The exact findings are still clasified. Trading at the Mosqua Market has been good, volume light, but individual books of green stamps returned with purchases has been higher. The City planners of the former city of Van have been sent back to Turkey due to confusion over what to build. This gross waste of resources was ended there immidiatly after it's liberation.

P.S. ~ 100 gold ruples were gifted to the Turk's upon the liberationfor of this city even though it was a demand of the 10 Years War.

We look to the future with renewed faith in our neighbors.

Austria is trusted to only regain what was pilfered by the independant minded Turk general who reportadly made those un authorized aquisitions in the beginning.

He is now serving along with the former city planning commity of Van on a small island in the Eastern Mediteranian guarding against caravan gremlins!

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OzzyKP · March 23, 2001, 01:02

Yea, those communication problems are very common i've found. All you can do is keep trying till the thing works. I think it happens when we both try to talk to each other at the same time.

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markusf · March 23, 2001, 01:42

In an emergancy meeting of the turkish high command yesterday, it was decided to deploy a secret diplomatic weapon. The pond scum have violated several international treaties(violation of territory they said was ours, regnaging on tech agreements, thats just to name a few), and have destroyed several cities and are on the way to destroy several more. The turkish government feels it is no longer bound by these protocals and as such will use any means to defend. Armies of diplomats will be dispatched next turn, and cities bribed shortly thereafter.

Curumbor Elendil · March 23, 2001, 10:40

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Rule-breakers are made to be expelled.

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Curumbor Elendil · March 23, 2001, 10:42

I didn't kill any caravans - if he says differently Markus is a liar.

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markusf · March 23, 2001, 12:05

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I didn't kill any caravans - if he says differently Markus is a liar.

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He gifted you that elephant 1 square before moscow on the last turn. Why do you think i suddenly said "You cheap bastard" on the last turn?

March 23, 2001, 18:11

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Rule-breakers are made to be expelled.

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I spoke to Markus - he's just kidding around

I admire that he continued playing this game with such a big dis-advantage. I didn't know about that Caravan bug till the after the last session. I'm all for the scenario being edited to improve Markus terrain as a compensation.

I don't concentrate in the king chat very well cos I'm waiting for my units to crawl along so can someone explain to me exactly what this bug is and why is it there in this scenario?

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Crustacian · March 23, 2001, 21:50

LOL...I know I am not the only one who ever gifted units that were not the ones intended.

If I wanted those caravans gone, I would have nailed them myself.

Your caravans, Markus as I recall it mentioned the normal "wine, or wool" whatever. But most interestingly was a couple of them that said best I can remember: "fortify trade route established" and one other move command or else a city improvement item for a trade route. Sorry I can not remember exactly.

markusf · March 24, 2001, 14:18

Cities lost to russia

markusf · March 24, 2001, 14:20

Cities lost to austria or will fall in the next turn. There is another city just slightly off the map that will die soon to.

markusf · March 24, 2001, 14:24

my proposed land changes. and stuff with x on it i want changed. The x on the water definately needs to be changed.

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Curumbor Elendil · March 24, 2001, 21:26

For the benefit of the others - I've already changed all the mountains in Markus' terrain to grasslands, and a few of the hills too. Now he wants additional changes made. I think the current situation is more than fair to him, but I'll let the others decide. Should I give him even more grasslands?

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Curumbor Elendil · March 25, 2001, 11:26

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I spoke to Markus - he's just kidding around

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Oh, I know. So was I.

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Crustacian · March 25, 2001, 12:59

2 and possibly 3 of those red X'd cities were built on Russian claimed lands after we talked Markus. The NE one especially was blatant more than the others. If you wanted cities there you had a choice of saying so and possibly working it out. You chose to put them there against my wishes.

But we worked out a fair trade on the NE one. I deleted it after paying you and granting you trade priviledge with Mosqua.

We are relocating Van soon, and the SE one you will be deleting soon. We graciously offer you to keep the city of mutual benefit on Crimea. We also offer to aid you against any greedy or unprincipled act against your Folk.

So these cities were by no means "taken" from you as claimed. But your tresspass has been now resolved peacefully and in a MUTUALY ACCEPTABLE way.

finbar · March 25, 2001, 21:23

A reminder to Deity that, sans daylight saving, we are now 15 hours ahead of US East Coast, so this week's game will start at midday our time. The Americans pick up daylight saving next weekend, putting us 14 hours ahead of US East Coast, giving us an 11am start, unless the Americans adjust their starting time acordingly.

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markusf · March 25, 2001, 21:26

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by gifting the austrains elephants and geting them to declare war on me?

OzzyKP · March 26, 2001, 00:14

Note to you all:

This is a fun battle you all are having, but if you stay in character and try to craft your bickering into diplomatic messages and letters it'd be a hell of alot better.

Thanks.

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markusf · March 26, 2001, 01:23

Those cities where established long before we had any contact with the russians... Makes me wonder what your planing with the map covered in russain cities,.....?

Curumbor Elendil · March 26, 2001, 12:50

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A reminder to Deity that, sans daylight saving, we are now 15 hours ahead of US East Coast, so this week's game will start at midday our time. The Americans pick up daylight saving next weekend, putting us 14 hours ahead of US East Coast, giving us an 11am start, unless the Americans adjust their starting time acordingly.

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Damn Daylight Savings!

To avoid confusion among the majority of players, we'll keep the same start time in US East Coast time. I wish they would just abolish Daylight Savings already; just a lot of confusion to no end. We're not farmers anymore, for Pete's sake.

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Curumbor Elendil · March 26, 2001, 16:33

For those of you interested in naming your cities after actual regions, I made up some tables based on the cities that were in the view of my map. They are below. First column is existing name; second is 'actual' name. For Germans, Russians, and Turks, third column is also existing name; fourth is 'actual' name.

finbar · March 26, 2001, 20:33

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Damn Daylight Savings!

To avoid confusion among the majority of players, we'll keep the same start time in US East Coast time. I wish they would just abolish Daylight Savings already; just a lot of confusion to no end. We're not farmers anymore, for Pete's sake.

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You need to get outdoors more.

Daylight Savings is God's gift to golfers. Here in Oz, our Queensland friends denounce Daylight Savings on the basis that the extra hour of sunshine fades the curtains. I kid you not.

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March 28, 2001, 21:18

Can we move to turn-based today, please?

And I'll even get time to change my city names

And we can work on diplomacy and politics in a better way

And, and, and.... well I like it!

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Curumbor Elendil · March 29, 2001, 01:53

The gruelling war between the Austrian Reich and the Republic of Turkey continued for another 160 years following the destruction of Drobeta. During that time, Western Bulgaria (capital: Kirklareli) was also laid waste, and the Ipeiros region of Greece was nearly annihilated. A marauding army of Austrian crusaders was drawing nigh to Wallachia when a peace agreement was finally signed, due to battle weariness on the part of the Austrian people. Napoleon Hitler VI saw that his grip on power was fading as the costly, though mostly successful, war told on the Austrians' morale. Therefore, the Austrians agreed to a peace treaty in exchange for the cession of the small Ipeiros region (capital: Ordu). The goal of driving the Moslems out of Europe was not achieved, not by far. Nevertheless, historians generally believe that Austria made a fair return on its heavy investment in weaponry during the years 800-1080. Thus, the Crusades ended, and with them the Austrian system of Medieval Fascism tottered. After industrialization reached the Austrian Reich via specialized knowledge from Germany, the emergent middle class demanded a less rigid regime. Land reform and its attendant expected increase in agricultural productivity were demanded.

Here are the changes in the boundaries of the Balkans achieved during the years 800-1080. The areas shaded in yellow represent the territory settled by Turks during the war - territory that formerly belonged to Austria. The areas shaded in green represent Austrian conquests during the war.

Following the treaty the Austrian government hoped that a new era of mutually beneficial cooperation would arise between the Austrians and their former adversaries the Turks.

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March 29, 2001, 07:39

Forgot to post this last week so here's this weeks pg.

Berzerker's Germans rocks in pop and Science.
Markus on the rise - SGS kicking in now

Crusty Rusky's loaded with cities.
Elendil kicking butt

finbar and ozzy of the Western alliance are solid (Brits/French/Italian)
Deity (Queen Boudicca/Brits) weakens a little....

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markusf · March 29, 2001, 12:14

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Markus on the rise - SGS kicking in now

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Late yesterday evening the turkish president announced a major restructuring program. Firing the enconomics, defence and cultural ministers. The new replacements have been ordered to impliment the new top secret Hypergrowth strat, dozens of times more powerful then sgs. The economics minister projects a $4.2 trillion surplus within the next 20 turns. Massive ammounts of cash has been set aside to invest in roads, railroads and city improvements in the next hundred years. The projected science plan is expected to dwarf the combined science output of all other players combined. You say i found a creative solution to my trade problems