Where are the playtesters?

kIndal · April 8, 2001, 11:46

The first playtest version of my updated of Thirty years war is finished, so if somebody want to playtest it write here a topic and I will send it.
The scenario is completly new:

all graphics changed

seven events files

playable with almost all civs

diferents seasons

almost 100% accuracy in uniforms, flags, cities and units of diferent nations.

and a lot of hours of war.

If somebody want, I will send him a pair of screenshots to put in this topic.

Chris 62 · April 8, 2001, 11:49

I have some time right now, so send it to me, Kindal. Don't forget that I now have a new e-mail address.

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Henrik · April 8, 2001, 11:50

As you allready know I will be happy to playtest it

Just send it to me!

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Shaka Naldur · April 8, 2001, 13:56

send it to me too

Chris 62 · April 8, 2001, 14:12

quote:

Originally posted by Jay Bee on 04-08-2001 12:44 PM
He, he, for some reason the title of this thread reminds me of certain poppie song called "where the boys are"

The song was by Connie Francis, and it is something like forty years old!

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Jay Bee · April 8, 2001, 14:23

quote:

Originally posted by cpoulos on 04-08-2001 02:12 PM
The song was by Connie Francis, and it is something like forty years old!

I know, I know

Henrik · April 8, 2001, 14:32

Hmm.. I wish I had this many people as playtesters when I started the playtest of my scenario, oh well...

I am looking forward to testing this scenario though

Fiera · April 8, 2001, 17:50

I surely can take a look at it too, can't I?

Looking forward to play it, Jesús.

April 8, 2001, 21:31

All of your playtesters are belong to us!
All of your scenarios to playtest are belong to us!

Send it over!

Waku · April 9, 2001, 00:11

please! please!

send it to me!

Jay Bee · April 9, 2001, 00:44

He, he, for some reason the title of this thread reminds me of certain poppie song called "where the boys are"

kIndal · April 9, 2001, 03:58

WWOOOOWWWW!!!!!!! how many people

!!!!!
I start sending it today.
I hope everyone like it

quote:

Originally posted by The Hogfather on 04-08-2001 09:31 PM
All of your playtesters are belong to us!
All of your scenarios to playtest are belong to us!

Send it over!

Lo siento Hogfather pero creo que no te he entendido que quieres decir

Henrik · April 9, 2001, 04:03

quote:

Originally posted by kIndal on 04-09-2001 03:58 AM
Lo siento Hogfather pero creo que no te he entendido que quieres decir

It is a reference to something, I wont tell what it is though. (oh and altavista is rather good at what it does)

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Chris 62 · April 9, 2001, 05:30

Someone sent Kindal up the bomb! What you say?!!?

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Henrik · April 9, 2001, 05:46

I have the scenario!!!!
The recruitment thing is really cool (replaces reasearch)
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Shaka Naldur · April 9, 2001, 13:59

I´ve got the file

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WWOOOOWWWW!!!!!!! how many people!!!!!

and you haven´t asked in the sleague forum

quote:

Hmm.. I wish I had this many people as playtesters when I started the playtest of my scenario, oh well...

I´m also available for you scenario Henrik

, what is about??

Henrik · April 9, 2001, 15:05

quote:

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur on 04-09-2001 01:59 PM
I´ve got the file

I´m also available for you scenario Henrik

, what is about??

I sent you a mail.

Henrik · April 9, 2001, 15:06

This is what was inn the mail I sent Shaka:

quote:

Thanks! It is about the Swedish-Polish war of 1655
There are lots of special rules and stuff (forests for example will
detract from your defence bonus). Any european nation is playable there are:
Habsburgs (I think you know who these guys are

)
French (these too)
Swedish (not that hard to figure out either)
Danish (also includes the dutch, I would like a better name for this civ
but I havent come up whit one yet)
Protestants (England, Transylvania, a few german cities and Brandenburg)
Polish (these are the Polish Lituan comonwealth)
Russians (guess who these are)
You will notice that the scenario intro text is really big, it will be
smaller when I write the readme

but untill then it is needed.
The situation when the scenario starts is this:
The newly crowned Swedish king is an almost absulte monarch, he never
felt appriciated untill he got assigned to the army during the late
stages of the thirty years war and he really likes the life in the
field, he is also a great gambler and enyojs taking risks.
The Polish Lituan comonwealth is under attack by the Russians and is
also fighting a civil war in Ukraine. They are very divided and the king
is constantly squabling whit his nobility. The polish army consists
mostly of Hussars (polish knights) and there is almost no infantry or
modern fortifications...
Sweden has just finnished of the 30 years war and has a large army that
they need to dispose off, that army is also a very experienced and
modern one, almost the opposite from the polish.
An old Swedish dream has allways been "Dominium Maris Baltici" the total
domination of the baltics. Danzig is the only major port and rivermouth
that isn't Swedish, Sweden ses its chanse and jumps at it.
A swedish army lead by the king himself enters the comonwealth trying to
grab hold of the entire Polish part of the baltic coast. But when they
see how unmodern the Polish army is Karl X Gustav of Sweden (the king)
makes a bold move:
He will march towards Warzaw not Danzig...
The Russians are lead by Tzar Aleksej, Russia used to be cought in civil
strife but it is now united. While the Russians where fighting
internally both the Polish and the Swedish tried to grab as much as
possible of Russia and succeded. Russias goal is to take back what was
lost during these years. Russia is however more modernized than Poland
and has a small but well equipped army...
The Danes are constantly trying to make life a hard time for the Swedes,
they haven't quite accepted that Sweden is now the dominating Power in
the baltics, and they still have controll over Öresund...
The Dutch want balance in the baltics, if the Swedish do get Danzig it
isn't going to benefit the dutch trade...
They make a mutual defence pact whit Denmark...
Frederik Wilhelm of Brandenburg is quitly supporting Karl X Gustav in
his war against the comonwealth and allows Swedish troops to use
Brandenburg soil to enter the Polish-Lituan comonwealth.
Racoczy of Transylvania is totaly convinced that the Swedish king is a
saint that will save all protestants from the wretched catholics...
The only thing that hinders him from entering the war is his wife and
his mother in law, they both think that the Sultan wouldn't look kindly
of him attacking Poland (Transylvania is an Ottoman vassal but still a
protestant nation)
England is supporting everyone who bothers the Dutch...
Cromwell is quitly supporting the Swedes to.
The French are in thier golden age under Le Rio Solleille and
French-Swedish Relations have allways been good...
The Spanish are currently fighting the French in what is a leftover from
the thirty years war.
The Empire is quiete but is quitly supportive to Poland...

That is the situation when the game starts (I hope you could read it all

)
There are seasons incorporated in the scenario and they are working
quite well I think.
I have gotten reports about some of the sounds being non-functional,
please tell me if you have any problems.
All nations are running a deceit, this is becouse they are deep in debt
after the 30 years war. Sell some churches if you need to.
All nations get extra income from collonies/loans from time to time so
they will survive.
In the winter it is possible to use the frozen sea in Öresund to attack
the danish capital and the defending superfortress "Fredriksodde" is a
lot weaker in the winter too.
The scenario playtest version is available here: ftp://aspen.mine.nu/users/henrik
Download the .zip version since that is the PC version, the .bat files
are also usefull for changing seasons, but they arent perfected yet so
you will have to change the rules files yourself (srules for summer and
wrules fo winter).
Please tell me what you think

If anyone else would be interested

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Shaka Naldur · April 9, 2001, 16:44

firsts coments

wow, awesome scenario
lots of cities, and a lot of units to start the scenario with

-I see that there are colons, I hope that the AI don´t found any new city, too many already
-IMHO the scenario is TOOOOOOOOOO long, I don´t think that a lot of people are going to play 400 turns, I think that between 200 and 300 would be ok and how fast the scenario moves it´s important in my opinion
-when an independent units is going to conquer one of your cities they ask you for money, if you pay them they don´t conquer the city and a lot of the units are disbanded
you should change the text in the game file
-the defense advanced fortress unit is too high, don´t think that the AI it´s going to conquer any city, at least put just one in every city, there are cities with FOUR of them!!!!!
-why is the siege cannon so expensive?????
-I think that the Copengahen island should be united to Scandinavia and the Jutland peninsula, to make it easier for the Danish
-road factor and sea movement it´s ok
-how how you made the independent cities unbribable?
-Mercantship attack is higher than the Warship one!!!!!!!!
-there should be and sea unit able to weaken fortress units
-to conquer Bayonne being Spain it´s going to be impossible, and way easier for the French to conquer Fuenterrabi (by the way, WHY Fuenterrabia??)

I like the scenario but I haven´t got into it yet, more comments when I´ll play more turns...

historical question:

do the royal roads follow a determined path or they are just ramdon?
why are La Rochelle and Rochefort independent cities??

April 9, 2001, 20:41

did you send it to m_carreras@hotmail.com?
Because THAT is my e-mail.

*curses Apolyton*

Henrik-

Henrik · April 10, 2001, 02:25

I think I can answer a few of those (knowing a lot about the thirty years war and having sent mails to Jesus allready):

quote:

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur on 04-09-2001 04:44 PM
-I think that the Copengahen island should be united to Scandinavia and the Jutland peninsula, to make it easier for the Danish

It actually serves to protect the danish from the swedish, annyway it is historical and boats are cheap...

quote:

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur on 04-09-2001 04:44 PM
-how how you made the independent cities unbribable?

He put palaces in them

quote:

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur on 04-09-2001 04:44 PM
do the royal roads follow a determined path or they are just ramdon?
why are La Rochelle and Rochefort independent cities??

I guess La Rochelle is an independent city becouse of a certain Protestant sentiment in that city...

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Henrik · April 10, 2001, 03:00

quote:

Originally posted by The Hogfather on 04-09-2001 08:41 PMHenrik-

Hey, just in case someone would be interested

kIndal · April 10, 2001, 04:23

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-I see that there are colons, I hope that the AI don´t found any new city, too many already

I have tried solve it making them very expensive and they spend a lot of food.

quote:

-IMHO the scenario is TOOOOOOOOOO long, I don´t think that a lot of people are going to play 400 turns, I think that between 200 and 300 would be ok and how fast the scenario moves it´s important in my opinion

Well, I know that is a bit long (348 turns) but it is the 30 years war and I can do anything. I have tried to make more dinamic and interesting with mulitevents.

quote:

-when an independent units is going to conquer one of your cities they ask you for money, if you pay them they don´t conquer the city and a lot of the units are disbanded
you should change the text in the game file

Have you got MGE? when I play independents don´t ask that.

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-the defense advanced fortress unit is too high, don´t think that the AI it´s going to conquer any city, at least put just one in every city, there are cities with FOUR of them!!!!!

I don´t think so, which city has 4 of them?Can you say to me if any nation can build it, i amnot sure? With some siegue cannons you can conquer every city.

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-why is the siege cannon so expensive?????

Because it is very powerfull and I don´t want a great deal af them conquering cities.

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-I think that the Copengahen island should be united to Scandinavia and the Jutland peninsula, to make it easier for the Danish

Really Danish was very weak in this war and it protects from Swedish and Imperials attacks. In some times the Danish king refugiated in his islnads to escaped from foreign armies.

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-how how you made the independent cities unbribable?

Changing the goverment of Barbarians to Democracy.

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-Mercantship attack is higher than the Warship one!!!!!!!!

Sorry is my fault, I have put its cost as attack, solved.

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-there should be and sea unit able to weaken fortress units

Well, I can make higher the attack value of the warships.

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-to conquer Bayonne being Spain it´s going to be impossible, and way easier for the French to conquer Fuenterrabia

I have the problem that Spanish played with AI always bribe that city and I don´t know how prevent it, what dificult the conquest of Fuenterrabia?

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(by the way, WHY Fuenterrabia??)

It was a important city in the conquest of French in Navarre, it was siegued several times and it was the Spanish door in West Pyrennes

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do the royal roads follow a determined path or they are just ramdon?

Well, I have tried to show the Spanish road from Italy to Netherlands and the easily of movement of the armies in Germany they can go between diferent dukedom and independent cities without problems (in some cases, of course)

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why are La Rochelle and Rochefort independent cities??

They where Hugenot since the French religious wars in the late XVI century, in fact, Richelieu conquested them in 1629 with the famous siegue of La Rochelle.

Henrik · April 10, 2001, 04:44

As I stated in a mail I think you should place danish mercenaires in Kiel, Bremen or Shleswig, otherwise the dane will lose the important city of Lauenburg pretty quikly and wont get any prince

Als the barbarian asking for Ransom is rather historivally accurate (imho), often plundering armies would leave certain cities alone when they where bribed by the burghers inside.

The protestant Un Wonder must be obsolete, the imperials just get thier troops outside Magdeburg and then they make peace, making the later Swedish invasion impossible.

It will still count as an objective...

You would also do well to make a few nations have the "Vendetta" flag agans't eachother, if the protestants had a vendetta against the Spanish you wouldn't have the problem where thet make peace every turn.
And The obove situation would also be less likely if the protestants or imperials had a vendetta aganst eachother.
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kIndal · April 10, 2001, 08:05

Chris has said to me that he can´t play because the events give him error, do somebody more happend it?

Henrik · April 10, 2001, 08:19

quote:

Originally posted by kIndal on 04-10-2001 08:05 AM
Chris has said to me that he can´t play because the events give him error, do somebody more happend it?

I haven't noticed anything like that. But I haven't played all the periods yet either (this is a very long scenario).

Chris 62 · April 10, 2001, 10:35

It's as soon as I start, when I try to select the first part of the scenario, chioce one, I get the message that says 'error loadding 30yw.sav' in the batch file. then when I load the scenario, I get a pop-up that says 'Events.txt' with text that says 'there was an error encountered in the 'events.txt' file. Please read the manual to find out how to debug this file'. I have no idea what is causing this.

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Henrik · April 10, 2001, 11:22

If I am the only one not having problems it could be becouse I am the only one not using the atch file (since I have a mac such files wont work) I use a homade appleascript isntead.
My guess is that the batch file does something wrong and that that corrupts the events file...
Another alternative could be that Jesus sent you the event file that I spelled and grammar checked for him and that I mistakenly made the file bigger so that FW users couldn't use it.
I don't know which of these it is, but it is certainly one of them.

Fiera · April 10, 2001, 15:45

I have the same problem as cpoulos. But I've been viewing the units and terrain files, and I've got to say I love what you've done so far... The Fortresses "molan mogollón" (translated: "kick ass"), and the soldiers with cloaks are very cool too.

N35t0r · April 11, 2001, 00:02

can you mail it to me too plz?

sigakid@hotmail.com