OCC Fortnight #7

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Shouldn't it be about time for another OCC game? I'd volunteer to do one except I have MPG...

[DaveV]

I have a scenario I'd be happy to donate - it might not be winnable as OCC, though. You start on the north pole, with all the AIs to the south, well out of trireme range. Handicaps are:

1) Fewer city squares than usual, because you're on the edge of the map. Three of the squares you can use are worthless glacier; the rest are ocean. Only three specials (two whales and one oil).

2) No early AI contact; no trading. You might have to build the Lighthouse or Marco Polo.

3) The AIs all start with four NONE settlers, to give them a head start.

I set this up to force myself to play a perfectionist game. I gave up at AD 1500 or so after getting completely bored with shipping caravans between my (12) cities.

[Taian]

I kind of have one that might work. I have to admit though that I haven't played OCC much at all so I don't know how well this one would turn out. Anyone willing to test it and give me some feedback? It was done in MPG version...not sure if that makes a difference.

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Well Dave that sure sounds tough for OCC.

Why don't we let Paul try it and see how he does?

[Scouse Gits]

Thanks Talon, but I believe that although you can play a 2.42 game in MPG the converse is untrue and several of the OCCers seem to only have 2.42 ...

DaveV - I'll try anything once - I have oodles of experience at getting creamed by this game so bring on your arctic start and lets all make fools of ouselves ...



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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Scouse Gits]

p.s. Hey DaveV - what you doin' here?
Don't tell me we are going to convert you into trying a game of OCC!
It would be good to see you - do please join in!

[Earthling7]

Excuse my humble interference, but what is OCC?

I have played Civ2 for longer than I care to count, but I have no idea what OCC is... sad, isn't it?

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Greetings,
Earthling7
ICQ: 929768

[Paul]

OCC = One City Challenge.

Anyway, a polar start does sound like a nice challenge. I don't expect 18th century AC landings on this one.

Please mail it to the address in my profile.

[Scouse Gits]

Hi Earthling,

Paul is being modest, he's probably the greatest exponent of OCC that we have here at Apolyton. If you would like to get a feel for this variation read Paul's indispensible manual at http://home.planet.nl/~belt0018/occ.htm and try one of the comparison games - they give you a good starting position. Once you are hooked - it is VERY addictive - come join us here - you will be most welcome
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"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor
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[Earthling7]

Sheesh! I'll go along with the latter C

I'll try this in solidarity first and let you know

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Greetings,
Earthling7
ICQ: 929768

[Oldman]

Do you guys mind if join in? I left a message on one of the other boards, luckily scouse gits pointed me over here - Cheers!!!

How does the whole setup work? do you guys have a map ready yet? I'll read up on the rules after work today!

[Tom DeMille]

Everyone is welcome to join in on the fun . When the game is ready, Paul will post a message with a link for downloading.

Check out Paul's strategy guide before/while/after you play. The link was provided by SG1 a couple of posts ago.

[Oldman]

Cheers Tom, I've just printed out the strategy guide so i'll read it tonight!!! It looks pretty straight forward?!?!

So how do you guys do against the computer normally? - sorry you'll all have gone through this before i know!! but i'm just doing the getting to know you ****

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Hi Oldman. I think you'll like OCC. I was getting bored with Civ until I discovered it, now I'm enjoying the game again. If you want to see how people did in the OCC#6 you can look at the thread or look at Paul's table for a condensed version. Usually the MPG guys don't do as well as the 2.42 guys since the AI doesn't cough up cash or techs as readily in MPG...

[Paul]

http://members.home.nl/paulvdb/Polar.zip

Play as the Chinese. There are no huts.
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[Tom DeMille]

Ok, this seems like a real challenge. Its 600AD and I've just built Marco Polo. Boy are the AIs ahead of me tech wise. I've just researched Republic. I expect a 21st century landing at best on this one.

[Dusty]

I'll say this is tough. I'm playing it on MGE and it's 1730. The romans are ahead of me on tech, and they won't trade. Worst of all, they've built Shakespear's theater.

But I suppose that's what I get for giving them medicine in a vain hope of getting some techs from them.

I'm not even sure if I'll bother to finish this one.

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[Oldman]

This is a toughy ain't it?!?! we are supposed to be playing on Deity aren't we - just in case i am and you're not!??!?

I think i'm doing ok, i'm behind the zulus, romans, spanish and english on tech - doh!!! But i'm looking for a sprint finish!!!!!

When do you guys want my log and everything? cause i'm in scotland over the easter weekend!! and about that log, what do you need in it? i've recorded practically everything, but it's pissing me off writing every little 50 gold present - bloody cheap skate zulu's

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[Scouse Gits]

Just about to download and start making a fool of myself - will be away for the next week and am unsure as to how much (if any) civ + internet access I will get so maybe won't see you guys until after the May Bank Hols - if so good civin'


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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Oldman]

Hey Scouse git,

Have a good easter, thanks for pointing this board out to me!!

If you go anywhere near Glasgow this weekend maybe i'll bump into you!??! I'll be asking everyone with a liverpool accent if they're a scouse git - bad idea maybe!?!?!?
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[Scouse Gits]

Gordon Bennett!! This is tough - I have taken an entirely different tech approach in the hope of circumventing the obvious problems. Result - its 700 AD and I haven't got Astronomy yet!
This could be one of my more spectacular failures!
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Scouse Git[1]

"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

p.s. Oh Yes Indeedy - we're at Deity. But you don't have to - the idea is to have fun (albeit this scenario is beginning to look too much like Masochism!)
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[Oldman]

****ing Gordon Bennett !"> (**** it bleeped out my swear word - cool!!)

Yeah, i know what you mean. crummy location, good opponents!??! just think of me, my 1st OCC game and i get this?!?!

I'm in 1945 - and i ain't NO WHERE near alpha centuri!?!??! But i've got a wad of cash you could beat whales to death with!! Tom said it right earlier, that this will be a 21st C launch!!!!

Scouse git - how do you do your log? how much do you include? that's the part of the game that takes the longest?!?
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[crowatbitemedotcom]

Dang guys, sounds rough! I haven't started yet so I'm not sure of my strategy yet. I do know I won't be giving away Medicine! I also think if I do build an extra wonder, it won't be Marco but the Lighthouse to get those caravans delivered. The AI usually isn't too cooperative with me so Marco's would be a waste of time IMO. Any other thoughts? I plan on starting this weekend.

[Oldman]

Yeah, look after medicine!!!!! i never bother with it in normal play when i've got 20 cities, so i'd forgotten all about it until i medicine from an exchange!!! but i messed up and didn't start the observatory early enough, so the spanish got it and i had to settle with marco polo!!

[crowatbitemedotcom]

Hope this doesn't turn you off to OCC Oldman. Usually we have 4 specials, and usually at least one of them is a trade special. Are you using MGE or 2.42? On this one if you're using MGE I'd guess an AC time of late 20th century would be pretty good, going by what I've seen here. Oh wait, you say you're getting gifts from the Zulus. If you ARE playing MGE, please let the rest of us in on your secret! My typical tribute in the OCC is about 500-750 g in the course of the game; most of it comes pretty early. The 2.42 people seem to get 2000 - 2500g in tribute. Lucky sunsabiches!
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[Oldman]

Yeah, i'm playing 2.4 or something like that. i think i added a patch last year to make it 2.7 maybe?!?! i'll check!! but it's the old fashioned civ2!!!! Yeah, i reckon i must be close to 2k in gifts, plus a stack of tech's. Plus i shared world maps!!!!!
That NEVER happens to me normally?!!?

No, this hasn't turned me off OCC!!! i'm really enjoying it!! it gives me a target more than your standard game does!!! and it's quicker moving too!!!

[Tom DeMille]

Oldman, regarding logs:

-list all your advances (and the civ you got it from if you traded for it).

-list all your improvements

-list milestones like starting WLTPDs and when you reach size 12 and 21 (not that you will get to size 21 in this particular game). Also list your first 3 trade routes.

-I generally list all the tribute I receive, but it does becoming tiring. So consider it optional.

-One major purpose for the logs is for newcomers to learn, so take a look at some of the previous OCC challenge games.

After finishing this chanllenge game, why not go back and try previous ones. There's no time limit on finishing them, so go for it.

[Oldman]

Cheers Tom, That's pretty much what i've been doing! I wouldn't mind if the zulu's were giving me more than 50 gold at a time as a gift, but 50!?!?!??! tight sods!!

I'll have to give some of the other ones a go sometime!! see how i fare against you fellas?!??!

I'm going to have to finish my game on monday - in scotland all weekend!! later...

[Paul]

Very interesting game. After all those 18th/early 19th century landings it took some getting used to a 1914 landing. But then again I realise that a year ago this woould have been considered a great score even on a good map. Anyway, here comes my log, so if you haven't played the game yet avert your eyes.
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3950 BC Beijing
3750 BC Warrior
3550 BC Warrior
3450 BC Bronze Working
3350 BC Warrior
3000 BC Alphabet
2450 BC Code of Laws
1950 BC Ceremonial Burial
1350 BC Colossus
1250 BC Monarchy, revolution
Gov: Monarchy
1050 BC Temple
900 BC Map Making
675 BC Pottery
400 BC Seafaring
100 BC Writing
25 BC Lighthouse
140 AD Harbor
200 AD Currency
420 AD Library
480 AD Trade
520 AD Build Salt Caravan
620 AD Build Hides Caravan
700 AD Mysticism
Trireme
860 AD Marketplace
Zulus: trade Construction, Republic (revolution), Iron Working; share maps
900 AD Zulus: alliance
940 AD Gov: Republic
Salt to Zimbabwe: 208 gold (demanded)
960 AD Build Beads Caravan
Masonry
Start WLTCD, size 5
Hides to Zimbabwe: 209 gold (demanded)
980 AD Colosseum
1000 AD Aqueduct
Mathematics
Zulus: trade Banking
1040 AD Build Oil Caravan
1140 AD End WLTCD, size 12
Sell Colosseum
1180 AD Bank
Astronomy
Sold Temple
Zulus: trade Medicine
1220 AD Zulus: gift Philosophy
1260 AD Zulus: share maps
Mongols: peace; share maps
1280 AD English: peace; trade Wheel, Horseback Riding, Feudalism, Warrior Code
Zulus: trade Bridge Building
1300 AD Zulus: gift 150 gold
1340 AD Zulus: gift 50 gold
English: trade Engineering
Romans: alliance; share maps; trade Literacy; gift 200 gold
1380 AD Zulus: gift 50 gold
1420 AD Oil to Antium: 592 gold (not demanded)
1440 AD Shakespeare's Theatre
Sanitation
Beads to Antium: 604 gold (not demanded)
1480 AD Build Hides Caravan
1510 AD Build Oil Caravan
University
1520 AD Romans: gift Polytheism
1530 AD University
1540 AD Romans: gift 75 gold
1570 AD Romans: gift Chemistry
English: share maps
1580 AD Romans: gift 250 gold
1590 AD Copernicus' Observatory
Theory of Gravity
1630 AD Invention
Romans: gift 100 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
1670 AD Democracy, revolution
1680 AD Romans: gift 150 gold
1690 AD Vikings: peace; share maps
Romans: gift 50 gold
1700 AD Gov: Democracy
Oil to Trondheim: 190 gold (not demanded)
Hides to Zimbabwe: 232 gold (not demanded)
1710 AD Romans: gift 50 gold
1720 AD Isaac Newton's College
Gunpowder
1750 AD Explosives
Romans: trade Economics; gift Monotheism
Zulus: gift 25 gold
Mongols: war
1752 AD Build Oil Caravan
1754 AD Mongols: peace
1756 AD Build Silver Caravan
Navigation
1760 AD Romans: gift 300 gold
Zulus: gift 25 gold
1762 AD Stock Exchange
Physics
1768 AD Engineers
Spanish: peace; share maps
1770 AD Magnetism
1774 AD Zulus: trade Metallurgy; gift 50 gold
Romans: gift 200 gold
1776 AD Diplomat
Zulus: gift 50 gold
1778 AD Electricity
1780 AD Galleon
1784 AD Sewer System
Refrigeration
Romans: trade Chivalry; gift 250 gold
1788 AD Gems Caravan
1790 AD Steam Engine
Romans: gift 250 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
Bribe Spanish Engineer for 440 gold
1794 AD Zulus: gift 100 gold
1796 AD Railroad
Silver to Antium: 714 gold (demanded)
Oil to Antium: 286 gold (not demanded)
1798 AD Supermarket
Industrialization
1810 AD Romans: gift 125 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
Spanish: alliance; gift 300 gold
English: trade Conscription
1814 AD Bribe Viking Engineer for 308 gold
1816 AD Refining
1818 AD Romans: gift 125 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
1822 AD Combustion
1828 AD Romans: gift 300 gold
Zulus: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
1830 AD Automobile
Gems to Cordoba: 500 gold (demanded)
Buy Spanish Transport for 210 gold
1832 AD Bribe Spanish Engineer for 356 gold
1836 AD Electronics
Romans: gift 300 gold
Zulus: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
1838 AD Darwin's Voyage: Mass Production, Leadership
1840 AD Romans: gift 200 gold
Zulus: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 125 gold
1842 AD Superhighways
1844 AD Tactics
Romans: gift 150 gold
Zulus: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1846 AD Salt Freight to Antium: 684 gold (not demanded)
1848 AD Machine Tools
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1850 AD Build Silver Freight
1851 AD Spanish: gift 250 gold
1852 AD Build Hides Freight
1854 AD Build Hides Freight
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1855 AD Computers
1856 AD Research Lab
1858 AD Offshore Platform
Mobile Warfare
Start WLTPD, size 12
Romans: gift 150 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1860 AD Factory
1861 AD Robotics
1862 AD Power Plant
Romans: gift 150 gold
Zulus: gift 50 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1863 AD Romans: trade Flight; gift 250 gold
Zulus: gift 100 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1864 AD Romans: gift Communism
1865 AD Radio
Spanish: gift 200 gold
Silver to Antium: 440 gold (not demanded)
Hides to Antium: 440 gold (not demanded)
Hides to Antium: 440 gold (not demanded)
1867 AD Advanced Flight
1868 AD Manufacturing Plant
End WLTPD, size 18
1870 AD Rocketry
1871 AD Romans: gift 125 gold
Zulus: gift 75 gold
Spanish: gift 200 gold
1873 AD Space Flight
Romans: trade Atomic Theory; cancel alliance
Zulus: gift 75 gold
Spanish: gift 200 gold
1874 AD Apollo Program
1877 AD Plastics
1881 AD Nuclear Fission
1885 AD Nuclear Power
1886 AD Spanish: gift 250 gold
Zulus: gift 200 gold
1888 AD Zulus: gift 200 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1889 AD Zulus: gift 200 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1890 AD Laser
Zulus: gift 200 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1891 AD Zulus: gift 200 gold
Spanish: gift 250 gold
1893 AD Zulus: gift 200 gold
Spanish: gift 200 gold
1894 AD Superconductor
1898 AD Sold Manufacturing Plant
1899 AD Fusion Power
Launch
1914 AD "C.S.S. Your Name Here" arrives at Alpha Centauri

At the end I realised that if I mined those three plains I had gotten from the glaciers to forests I could get 80 shields, so it took some Engineer efforts to do that. I left the Oil alone; I figured I could use those shields. Nevertheless I was low on money so I took the risk of giving some science (including SF and Plastics) to my allies so that I could keep asking for gifts. I did make some mistakes because I wasn't paying enough attention to the game occasionally, but I think this is a good result.

[redbaron]

Well, wasn't that fun? It just goes to show how spoilt we've all become.

It pains me to report that I failed to get to AC first. I was beaten by 1 year by the ******* Zulus.

Looking back on it, I might have made it if I'd got some engineers to improve the terrain, rather than relying on just 1 to keep pollution down.

Anyway, here's my log.

Monarchy 1450 BC
Republic 1100 AD
Democracy 1660 AD

Colossus 1450 BC
Copernicus 980 AD
Shakespeare 1760 AD
Newton 1818 AD
Darwin 1853 AD
Apollo 1902 AD

1st Trade 480 AD
2nd 640 AD
3rd 920 AD

Trade 20 AD
Construction 900 AD
Sanitation 1340 AD
Refrigeration Didn't bother
Automobile 1853 AD
Computers 1872 AD
Space Flight 1897 AD

Pop 12 1220 AD
Pop 24 You've got to be kidding

3950 BC City founded
3500 BCBronze Working
3050 BC Alphabet
2500 BC Ceremonial Burial
2200 BC Use Settler to boost population
2050 BC Code of Laws
1500 BC Monarchy. Revolution
1450 BC Monarchy established
Colossus
1150 BC Map Making
1050 BC Temple
850 BC Pottery
800 BC Trireme
575 BC Seafaring
550 BC Harbour
300 BC Granary
275 BC Currency
1 AD Marketplace
20 AD Trade
280 AD Writing
480 AD Contact with Spanish (Receptive)
Exchange Ceremonial Burial for Mathematics (Cordial)
Exchange Seafaring for Masonry (Enthusiastic)
Exchange Code of Laws for Wheel (Worshipful)
Exchange Writing for Horseback Riding
Treaty with Spanish
Spanish decline Alliance
Hides Caravan to Toledo (Demand) 176 Gold
Mysticism
500 AD Library
540 AD Alliance with Spanish
560 AD Share maps with Spanish
640 AD Salt Caravan to Madrid (Demand) 201 Gold
Astronomy
740 AD 75 Gold from Spanish
840 AD Exchange Monarchy for Iron Working with Spanish
75 Gold from Spanish
880 AD Share maps with Spanish
150 Gold from Spanish
Population 8
900 AD Construction
920 AD Oil Caravan to Madrid 256 Gold
Beads Caravan to Madrid
980 AD Copernicus
Literacy
1000 AD Beads Caravan to Madrid 228 Gold
Exchange Construction for Warrior Code with Spanish
1020 AD Colosseum
1040 AD Disband Warrior (Going to Republic soon)
1060 AD Republic
1100 AD Republic established
1120 AD WLTPD Pop 8
Aqueduct
1180 AD Explorer
Philosophy
1220 AD WLTCD ends Pop 12
1260 AD Medicine
1280 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
Give Astronomy to Zulus (Cordial)
Treaty with Zulus
Exchange Literacy for Engineering with Zulus
1340 AD Give Republic to Vikings (Cordial)
Traty with Vikings
Sanitation
1360 AD Exchange Sanitation for University with Zulus
50 Gold from Spanish
1440 AD Theory of Gravity
1520 AD Banking
1550 AD Exchange Philosophy for Bridge Building with Spanish
50 Gold from Spanish
1580 AD War with Mongols
Invention
1600 AD 100 Gold from Spanish
Sewer System
1620 AD Pop 13
Sell Granary
1640 AD War with Romans
Democracy. Revolution
1660 AD Democracy established
1680 AD Exchange Invention for Navigation with Spanish
100 Gold from Spanish
1710 AD Disband Trireme
Caravel
Economics
1720 AD War with Vikings
1740 AD 100 Gold from Spanish
1750 AD Hides Caravan to Toledo 120 Gold
1760 AD Sell Colosseum
Shakespeare
1764 AD Steam Engine
1768 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
1774 AD Railroad
1776 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
Alliance with Zulus
Gunpowder from Zulus
1780 AD Sell Sewer
1782 AD Sell Aqueduct
1784 AD Industrialisation
1786 AD Share maps with Zulus
1790 AD Beads Caravan to Madrid 155 Gold
1792 AD Share maps with Spanish
1794 AD Corporation
1798 AD Conscription from Zulus
1806 AD Magnetism
1808 AD Gems Caravan to Cordoba (Demand) 308 Gold
50 Gold from spanish
1810 AD Salt Caravan to Madrid (Demand) 323 Gold
1812 AD Metallurgy
1818 AD Newton
1822 AD Electricity
1830 AD 100 Gold from Spanish
Tactics from Zulus
1832 AD Steel
1836 AD 100 Gold from Spanish
150 Gold from Zulus
1840 AD Salt Freight to Tugela 164 Gold
Chemistry
1844 AD Gems Caravan to Madrid (Demand) 726 Gold
Refining
1852 AD Explosives
1853 AD Darwin
Combustion
Automobile
1855 AD University
Exchange Railroad for Leadership with Spanish
25 Gold from Spanish
150 Gold from Zulus
1857 AD Electronics
1858 AD Superhighway
1860 AD Machine Tools
1862 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
150 Gold from Zulus
Factory
1865 AD 300 Gold from Zulus
Miniaturisation
1866 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
Offshore Platform
1868 AD Mass Production
Engineers
1872 AD Warrior killed by Mongol Caravel
Computers
1874 AD 50 Gold from Spanish
150 Gold from Zulus
1876 AD Warrior killed by Mongol Caravel
Mobile Warfare
1877 AD Gems Caravan to Valencia (Demand) 854 Gold
Bank
1878 AD Robotics
1879 AD Alpine Troops
1881 AD 300 Gold from Zulus
50 Gold from Zulus
Manufacturing Plant
Flight
1883 AD Power Plant
1885 AD Radio
1889 AD Stock Exchange
Advanced Flight
1890 AD 150 Gold from Zulus
50 Gold from Spanish
1893 AD Rocketry
1894 AD 250 Gold to English
Treaty with English
Hides Caravan to Ulundi 188 Gold
Salt Caravan to Zimbabwe 210 Gold
1896 AD Monotheism from Zulus
50 gold from Zulus
1897 AD Space Flight
1902 AD Apollo
Plastics
1903 AD Silver Caravan to Hlobane (Demand) 315 gold
1905 AD Alliance with Zulus ends
1906 AD Atomic Theory
1911 AD Nuclear Fission
1916 AD Nuclear Power
1921 AD Laser
1926 AD Superconductor
1932 AD Fusion Power
15 Structurals
1933 AD Sell Research Lab
1934 AD Disband Caravel
Sell University
1935 AD Sell Library
1943 AD Roman civilisation destroyed by Zulus
1945 AD 6 Components
Sell Colosseum. Bugger!! Why didn't I spot that?
Disband Explorer
1947 AD Sell Superhighway
Mongol civilisation destroyed by Zulus
1949 AD Sell Stock Exchange
1950 AD Sell Bank
1951 AD Sell Marketplace
English capital falls. English & Sioux factions
1952 AD Viking civilisation destroyed by Zulus
1953 AD Zulus Launch ETA 1963
Soiux capital falls. Sioux & German factions
1954 AD Launch ETA 1969
Zulus launch ETA 1967
1955 AD Zulus destroy Sioux civilisation
1956 AD Transport
1957 AD English civilisation destroyed by Zulus
Howitzer
1959 AD Spanish civilisation destroyed by Zulus
1960 AD German civilisation destroyed by Zulus
Howitzer
1964 AD Sneak attack by Germans on transport. Oh well, easy come, easy go.
1966 AD Germans arrive at AC.