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Crusader Scenario Succession Game?
Any takers for the Crusades Scenario as a Succession Game?
Playing as the English we feel that this is quite a challenge!
You would need either Fantastic Worlds v2.7.8f or we could play it in MGE - please indicate your preference - deity of course.
The advantage of playing a scenario such as this is that other succession games have been left to the vagaries of the ICSers (like us) but just try to sleaze in this!!! If we can't - we doubt that anyone can (this is not a challenge!)  - and DaveV is on vacation - pfew!
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July 15, 2001, 22:04
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So I'm having trouble keeping up with La Fayette's scenario threads! I'll join. I play MGE, but don't ICS. During my turn I could annoy you by building improvements and trading... 
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July 16, 2001, 05:45
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well i am becoing addicted to this type of game, have never palyed a scenario before so i might just try it beofre i have a turn , but pleqase include me too, I got the MPGE , it came with FW scenraios included...
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July 16, 2001, 08:45
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Hot damn! An MGE succession game. And one of the few scenarios I've actually tried!!
In for a penny...
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July 24, 2001, 03:49
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That makes 4/5 of us - depending on whether or not SG2 & I play as individuals or together - any more for any more?
If not I suggest the following running order ... - kcbob
- Rasputin
- Marquis de Sodaq
- The SGs
no more than 20 turns - and post the save in this thread ...
May the Infidels Perish!
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July 24, 2001, 07:52
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The privilege you bestow on me as the initiator of the quest is beyond measure. I am not deserving of such honor.  If you will but grant me a short time to gather my wits (and get home from work), I will embark on the journey tonight. May God grant us the victory against the forces opposing His glory!
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July 24, 2001, 07:58
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To aid in the playing, could Rasputin and Marquis please fill in their email addresses?
kcbob - kcbob49@hotmail.com & robert.a.sorter@dfas.mil (please send to both)
Rasputin - familyauld@dingoblue.net.au
Marquis de Sodaq - sprout@bitstream.net
Scouse Gits(1) - git1@scousers.net
SG2 - git2@scousers.net
Julius - julius.brenzaida@infomaniak.ch
La Fayette - ???
BTW, if I read the names and addresses correct, we have players from four different countries. The US, Great Britain, Australia, and Minnesota. 
**UPDATE **
All emails in place, the Crusade begins at midnight (GMT)!
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July 24, 2001, 09:48
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Email
familyauld@dingoblue.net.au
I hope to learn heaps from this one watching the SGs play... No seriously guys I do ... I mean that... Look I am not taking the mickey here... Gee guys !!!!!
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July 24, 2001, 10:35
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minnesoohta
Dat's right, it's a different country here in da nort. Doncha know, dat movie Fargo is kinda accrit bout how we talk here. Minnesota's an injin word fer "land o lakes," doncha know.
Alas, I hail from elsewhere! Ha ha! My e-address is:
sprout@bitstream.net
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July 24, 2001, 11:20
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As I said in my updated post above, the emails are in place and I shall begin tonight. Now, if I can only figure out how to sneak in a stealth fighter or two we're home free.
*edit*
It just occurred to me that no one has said which Crusade scenario we're going to use.  : I'm assuming it's the one in the Scenario Collection by Joel André spanning the years 1095-1290 and titled 'Great Crusades'. If you have another one in mind, please let me know.
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July 25, 2001, 03:16
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May I join too ? 
I promise to finish the gigamap succession game soon !
This idea of crusades suits me real fine. Gonna remind me of my history studies 
Eh where is LaFayette, so keen on scenarios in the strategy forum ? 
Or is he unwilling to play as the english ? 
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July 25, 2001, 03:56
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Actually - we were thinking about the 'Crusader' scenario that comes with FW (and MGE), but as you are kicking off kc "it doesn't matter a good goddam" *he says in his best US accent*
Julius - welcome aboard - I'm sure kc will include you in his e-mail list - but I think that using this thread and attaching the saves (or zips thereof) will be easiest.
SG2's email is "git2@scousers.net" surprising eh!
May the Righteous Prevail!!
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July 25, 2001, 08:18
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i would find it easier to get saved gaems from here rather than email, would also allow others t oview where we are upto without waiting for theire turn
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July 25, 2001, 08:50
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Bang! Bang! False start! 
I couldn't access Apolyton last night from home.
I'll give it one more try tonight. I suppose if I can't access the site to get started, I can use the FW Crusader version. Then again, I could just use that one in the first place. And I'll add Julius to the email list in a second.
Sorry for the delay, folks.
And a damn fine American accent, SG.
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I just added Julius' email address but I did it from memory. How close did I come, Julius?
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July 25, 2001, 09:20
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If the non-CiC scenario is better, let's use that one. I prefer a good scenario to a poor one, and would expect others to feel the same. Actually, posting on the forum is also my preferred method of file exchange. I shall pm-gauntlet La Fayette about this thread.
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July 25, 2001, 09:35
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Trembles in anticipation
**I finally get to play with one of my all time legends of civ Scouse Gits **
I hope I can maintain the level of play....
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July 25, 2001, 13:50
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Sometimes I scare myself.
I just realized that I could download the Apolyton scenario here at work (shhhh) and email it to my home address. Done. Tonight we battle!
BTW, Marquis, what do you mean by non-CIC?
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July 25, 2001, 14:41
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Originally posted by kcbob
Sometimes I scare myself.
I just realized that I could download the Apolyton scenario here at work (shhhh) and email it to my home address. Done. Tonight we battle!
BTW, Marquis, what do you mean by non-CIC?
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do i need to download anything to play or just the saved game when its my turn....
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July 25, 2001, 15:14
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Just the saved game when you receive it. As the initiator, I had to have something with which to start. I am curious as to what people are referring to when they say post the games (not the logs) here. Never mind. I just saw the "attach file" box at the bottom.
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July 25, 2001, 15:25
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observant
got to keep investigating all the little extras here....
can even put in images so we could post maps to show everyone else how we going...
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July 25, 2001, 16:52
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Quite close Kcbob ! 
julius.brenzaida@infomaniak.ch
You only forgot the "." 
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July 25, 2001, 17:30
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Treachery?
Marquis just 'pmed' me about this thread.
Of course I would paint a red cross on my T-shirt with great pleasure, but I suppose it's too late now (some kind of treachery by my allies of the southern alliance?).
Never mind, it seems that there are enough scenarios left to keep me busy day and night until civ3.
Have a nice time guys (and of course, if it isn't too late, I'm with you, so as to make it a 5 countries game ).
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July 25, 2001, 22:03
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The Crusades!
Why do I feel like Monty Python?!?! This is insane!! As much as I love the Lord, let the infidels have the Holy Land!! Lord have mercy, the cup is half empty and draining fast!
For better or worse, we have dived into the Apolyton version of the Crusades. The graphics are superb but the change in units, wonders, advances, et al is staggering. And the distance from England to the Holy Land might as well be measured in light years and charted by star dates! Eh bien. Into the breach.
Before we even had a chance to move, the Turks took three Byzantine cities (worthless Byzantinians!) Well, I guess that’s what we’re here for, n’est-ce pas? To help them.
The scenario takes 196 turns of 1 year each. I’m only going to play about 10 turns so I can pass this on to the next person and then take some time to gather my wits.
In the year of our Lord 1095 AD, the mighty nation of England, blessed among people of the world, took up the challenge and began to point forward to a crusade, a Great Crusade, to free the Holy Land from the infidels and return it to its intended purpose, the worship of the one true God.
Minor decisions were made in productivity within our English cities in preparation for this mission. It is our prayer that these decisions will bear good fruit.
In this same year, cultural exchanges were made with the neighboring nations of Byzantine, the Holy Roman Empire, and France. As a result of this, we gained a knowledge of Diplomacy, Engineering, Infantry Tactics, Banking, and Chivalry. This was deemed worthwhile and necessary as our quest for knowledge among ourselves was a most pitiful one advance every 246 turns!
1096 came and went. The winter was mild, the summer hot. And it was decided to train two missionaries for the purpose of converting Cardiff and Edinburgh to the English way of life. England for the English!!
And another Byzantine city falls.
1097 and the French have taken Jerusalem.
1098 saw much fighting among the nations.
1099 and Cardiff and Edinburgh were converted!!! Troops landed on the continent and began the long and arduous journey on this Great Crusade. May the Lord bless them and keep them.
1100 saw the Byzantines lose yet another city. Additionally, our troops travelling overland are finding no safe havens along the way. While this is a Great Crusade, the people we are encountering on our journey are no help whatsoever.
1101 and 1102 have seen a war with the French, a peace with the French, two lost units along the way, and war with the Holy Roman Empire. Don’t these people realize were trying to help them!!!!
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I give up! Eight turns and I stink! Good luck Rasputin. And good luck to me in trying to attach the game.
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July 26, 2001, 03:46
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Sounds fun kc! I shall have a sneak preview and d/l your save if only to check out whether or not we all need the new unit files etc ...
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July 26, 2001, 04:38
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Yikes!!! 
London has an offshore platform and can build submarines!!
I guess that means we need to d/l the scenario - if I have it right we are talking about "The Great Crusade" by Joel Andre which is available here: http://csc.apolyton.net/zips/crusades.zip
For those unfamiliar with the process:-
create a subdirectory below your Civ2 MP folder - I chose -\Civ2MP\scenarios\Succession Crusade but the name is immaterial as long as you can find it again
d/l the above file into the new folder and unzip using WinZip or similar - if any one does not have or is unhappy using a zip utility I can post the unzipped files for you --
the save game should then be unzipped into the chosen directory and opened as usual by Civ2 - you should then have the all singing all dancing version
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The above all posted before I've done it myself - if I hit any problems I shall post again ...
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July 26, 2001, 04:58
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Success!
Yes that does it - I can certainly confirm that the graphics are magnificent - but all these new units, techs and Wonders - this is going to be a toughy.
My first thought is to buy up the North - its all nice Barbarian territory and should provide a fairly impressive power base and standing army, but it is you guys at the helm - the joys of Succession Games ...
kc please include LaFayette - we will definitely need a scenario specialist and I think you did right by only taking ten turns - should we make that the maximum?
Good Luck all
The True Faith shall Prevail!
[Aside added in edit: We are playing at "Son of God" level! Don't panic it's only Deity, but the scenario changes even this!]
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July 26, 2001, 05:34
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There goes the crusade
Well i loaded it all up and it looks great, but there is a tale of woe to come.
1103 All of Europe decides it hates English and decalres war agaisnt us. All our troops in France are slaughtered in surprise attacks. English citys all in revolt 
1104-1114 Didnt get to do much, just trying to sail a few knightsd around the warzone in Europe.
Quite boring reaaly , not sure if its because I suck or not, but I dont thin kthe crusade has started too well.
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July 26, 2001, 07:50
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Is this incredible or what? Perhaps the only way to help out in the endeavour will be to sail around the coast and into the Mediterranean. With any luck, we should arrive there in time for the American revolution.
I'll add La Fayette to the list above. Maybe he can save the day.
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July 26, 2001, 09:21
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I guess I'm up next. I'll have to download everything from home tonite, send the little ones to bed, and kill infidels! I actually have a fair amount of scenario experience, tho not with this or other crusades...
Let's see, everyone on the continent hates the english, and kills them on sight. Footie hooligans, perhaps?
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July 26, 2001, 14:50
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For what its worth, my three ha'p'orth is that it is a mistake to try and follow history - with the Great Powers solidly against you there is little chance of forcing a path through Europe to the Middle East. The long term aim would be World Conquest, but in the short term consolidate and trade aggressively whilst converting the heathen Barbarians to the true Faith of England.
I have tried this out this afternoon and have currently (1112) bought Cardiff, Edinburgh, Dublin, Viborg & Oslo. Have maintained alliances with the Byzantines and the French and an uneasy peace with the Holy Roman Empire - basically tried not to speak to them and give tham whatever they demand when they force a conversation. From these bases the eventual conversion of Ireland and Scandinavia is now certain and an expedition to Iberia is planned. Typical trade bonus is in excess of 170g for demanded commodities to destinations in continental Europe, once the home cities run out of trade goods it will be time to build barracks and start developing a serious invasion force - if I can get Navigation (by trade bonus) that will allow the building of an Armada and the target will be whichever of Damascus, Rome or Paris is most tempting at that stage of the game - since by then the English Hegemony will be hurting with unhappiness.
End of three ha'p'orth ...
Raz, have you e-mailed the game to the Marquis? or are you going to post it in this thread?
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