Wonders of the World - the list of those that are in

[Quarthinos]

When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

[Executor]

Originally posted by Quarthinos
When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

The Pentagon is already in, they should have made it KGB Headquarters. The US has enough wonders included, can't they even throw one in for the Russians?

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Quarthinos
When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

'Small wonder' - you mean a minor wonder?

Having it as a minor wonder would make more sense. That way the US could have the CIA, the Ruskies KGB and the UK has MI6. It could be named something like 'Intelligence HQ'.

[Christantine The Great]

The Pentagon is already in, they should have made it KGB Headquarters.

Nope, it's fine the way it is. The Pentagon was built for the Army, not a spy agency. A centralized control center for an army makes more sense for the effect it does than a headquarters for some snoops.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Christantine The Great
Nope, it's fine the way it is. The Pentagon was built for the Army, not a spy agency. A centralized control center for an army makes more sense for the effect it does than a headquarters for some snoops.

As far as I understand the point is not "The Pentagon vs KGB": the point is the large use of american (or west centric) name for small/main wonders, also when there are similar available in others area of the world (i.e. KGB vs CIA).

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by Quarthinos
When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

Added it to the list. Note that CIA stands for Central Intelligence Agency so the name is civ-neutral.

[Roman]

I remember reading somwhere, that all wonders from Civ2 will also be included in Civ3 in some capacity, though many will only make it as minor wonders and some will have their effects changed.

On top of the Civ2 wonders, I recall that the following will be included in some capacity:

internet
Pentagon
CIA

[Provost Harrison]

Remember that now we know that some minor wonders become available when you have achieved certain things (eg, coal and iron available in one city, first special unit, etc), so not all have a prerequisite tech per se.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Added it to the list. Note that CIA stands for Central Intelligence Agency so the name is civ-neutral.

Hmmm, not really Any other country define espionage with different "politically correct" name. We used "service" (in italian, of course) instead of "agency", no mention to "central", more relevance to military vs non-military status...

IIRC the USSR KGB stand for "Committee for State Security".

Better use a real neutral name as "Intelligence Department"

[jsw363]

Ribbanah-

I don't think that the Tower of Babel is a wonder. That picture alone is not evidence of anything since it is the picture that is being used as a promotion for the entire civ game and does not represent one wonder. Also that picture doesn't resemble the Tower of Babel. That was merely Breugel's title for his painting which was more allegorical than realistic. Finally what attributes would the tower have? Reaching heaven? The Tower is an impossible wonder since it was never completed and its construction brought the DEstruction of the empire that built it. I would be nervous that a deity would strike my civ down for the impertinence of building a tower to reach heaven. So, will you take it off the list?

[Tventano]

It would be nice if the small wonders which needed it are customized per civivilization. So the americans can found their CIA and the russians their KGB. The americans their pentagon etc. The french their Notre Dame, the english their Westminster Abbey, etc. In a lot of cases the same imagery could be used. But it would be even nicer when the imagery also depended on the civ, when the city view would be a surprise every time you play another civ.

[Ribannah]

Initial post updated.
After all this time, we still don't know what strange wonder comes with Monarchy!

[monkspider]

check out the lower right corner of this screen for confirmation of the Grand Cathedral Minor wonder...if you have really good eyes you can make out a city building the Great University minor wonder in the city screen as well.
http://moonpies0.tripod.com/minorwonders.jpg

[ixnay]

From the new civ3 movie:

The pyramids
The hanging gardens
The colossus
The great lighthouse
The great library
The oracle
The great wall
Art of War (?)
Sistine chapel
great observatory

All shown in the wonders of the world view.

[monkspider]

Wow, Sun Tzu's Art of War is a wonder??? I like it!

[shade]

monkspider:The link you gave doesn't seem to work.
got this message:

This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy.

hope =>

Shade

[monkspider]

sorry about that Shade
i tried at 11:18 (central time!) this morning and it seemed to work, i'm guessing the server must have been down when you tried it.
It should work now!

[monkspider]

Here's another something for your list Rib
The confirmation of a SETI program wonder, check out the lower right hand corner
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3image...imson/snap.jpg

[KrazyHorse]

It's been mentioned somewhere that the Pentagon is what allows the construction of spies. I would guess that the "CIA Headquarters" is actually the Pentagon.

[monkspider]

Rib, you also still have heroic epic and Ironworks as unconfirmed, so here's your confirmation
http://moonpies0.tripod.com/mwtext.jpg
that should bring you mostly up to date

[Ribannah]

That's a Tripod file, I can't load it ...

[monkspider]

man, i had the very same problem with Geocities! Are there any free web hosts that actually allow you to link to pictures?

[monkspider]

tell me if these work
http://monkspider.freeservers.com/minorwonders.jpg
for Grand Cathedral
http://monkspider.freeservers.com/mwtext.jpg
for heroic epic and Ironworks
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3image...imson/snap.jpg
for SETI program

[Ribannah]

Thanks, these do work. I'll add the SETI Program to the list

[shade]

thx those last links worked perfect.
(tripod == )


Shade

[ixnay]

From the new developer update,

Wall street
and, SDI

Both are small wonders (apparently "minor wonder" is no longer used.

Small wonders have requirements attatched to them to build, such as wall street requiring 5 banks.

[Rhysie]

The developer update also confirms hoover dam as a great wonder, which doesn't seem to be in the list here yet?

[RobC]

Ribannah,

There's a typo in the URL for the monarchy wonder. You have it as .../civ3_screen003.jpg, but it's really .../civ3_screen002.jpg that has monarchy on it.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Rhysie
The developer update also confirms hoover dam as a great wonder, which doesn't seem to be in the list here yet?

Nope! Not a word (but you have already checked by yourself now, haven't you?)

But THERE IS a pacific way to gain a Golden Age! By building Wonders that fit with Special Attribute of Civ (now also wonders have categories that match Special as Militaristic, Commercial, Industrious etc.

It seems I'll end eating most of my early words about the lack of new features in game...

[Rhysie]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


Nope! Not a word (but you have already checked by yourself now, haven't you?)

I'd checked before I posted, I just put it as a question rather than a statement to make sure I didn't sound like I was criticising its absence