Expansion Pack Civs (Part 3): Just one more...

[Dimorier Maximus]

20 Texans
20 Spaniards
20 Arabs
20 Incas
20 Mongols
20 Australians
20 Carthagians
20 Koreans

[Dimorier Maximus]

Arabs -20
Turks +20


The Babylonians are already in the game, so I'd rather see someone represent Asia Minor.

[Locutus]

List updated up to Dimorier Maximus, 137 valid votes casted, 20086 points.

Ribannah,
Though highly interesting, this discussion is rather off-topic, so suffice to say that Winters' reply doesn't exactly convince me. As you said, the whole issue involves a lot of speculation.

Master Marcus,
Yes, you can use those points left but not like that: that way you would vote for 17 countries while 16 is the limit. (This is why I threw out the Olmec in the first place, I'd much rather vote for both the Olmec and the Harappans but the rules are the rules)

Gramphos,
Ah, Civ3 style, ok. Hadn't though about that yet, that explains a thing or two... Much better like that, thanks (even though it's too late now ).

Adm.Naismith,
I agree with every point you make, thanks for posting that.

When the time is there I'll contact Markos (or Dan) and discuss with him the best way of delivering this list.
A short explanation on the civs (ala the Civ of the Week feature, I suppose) is a good idea, but I think it would be good to write an explanation on all civs, 'cause apparently to Firaxis they were all 'less than obvious', or they would have included them all in the default game in the first place... I'll make a start with that for some of the most popular civs (the first 12-13 civs will almost certainly be in the final list so summaries for those are needed anyway) today and post that later (probably in a new thread) so we can discuss what these summaries should look like (as far as people care).
I definitely don't plan on altering the layout or length of the list from how it looks in the first post. It's quite possible that Firaxis for whatever reason doesn't like certain civs and needs more options than just the first 8/16/32 or whatever. This list is most valuable to them when they have all available info, unfiltered and unaltered.

Internationalist,
Well, as I said in the very first post in the very first thread (and this thread):

If you wish to change your vote for any reason, that's possible but please don't edit your existing post or just post a new list. This would be very confusing for me to keep track of. Instead, only post the changes you wish to make. [...]

So don't say I didn't warn you... In any case, I counted your 20 points for Zimbabwe now.

Rogan Josh,
You have 60 points left.

[Jay Bee]

Locutus,

Looking thru your list I noticed you have 'Iberians' listed with 10 points. Since Iberians are obviously Spanish + Portuguese, wouldn't it be fair to split up those 10 points between the two individual civs? Otherwise these are wasted points.

[Locutus]

Jay Bee,
If I did that, I would also have to do that with Scandinavians vs Danes/Nores/Swedes/Fins and Native Americans vs Sioux/Apache/Cherokee/etc and probably some others. Some people deliberately vote for a 'general area' civ, some vote deliberately vote for just one particular civ from that area, some people don't really care as long as any civ from that geographical area is present. Who am I to manipulate people's votes? If Guynemer (the guy who voted for Iberians) wants me to distribute his 10 points differently he'll have to let me know, otherwise it's up to Firaxis to decide what the most appropriate civs would be (and as the examples show that don't necessarily have to be the first 8/16/32/whatever, they can decide to merge certain civs or whatever). This is exactly why the entire list is so important, and not just the first 32.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Fins +20
Vikings +20
Incas +20
Mongols +20
Australians +20
Carthagenians +20
Inuites +20

I just wanted to add that you shouldn't be able to vote for civs which are already close to existing ones in Civ3. IMHO i think that the Ottomans and Austro Hungarians are too close to the Persians/ Greeks and Germans respectively. Of course, you can just not play with the others.

I chose civs in areas which dont have any yet, so that if possible, you can play with all of them, and still have a fun game. I was going o choose only the Vikings to represent all Nordic Countrires, but since im a Finn, I know the differences between the Norwegians,/Swedes/ Danes and the Fins.

The civs which I choose should add more exitement in other parts of the world other than europe. The Americans now have 5 civs. Europe has 7 civs (w/o russia). Africa has 3 civs. Asia has 7 civs (including Russia, Australia) Now, at the beginning of the game, there are regional rivals and more permutations for peace and war between the rival regional civs.

[Gramphos]

Locutus,
that dark green is harder to read then the light green, but all to keep the record up. (There exists no styledefined green color, as for the other colors I use. Next time I’ll use fixed colors including the background )

Actually the most common definition of Scandinavia (at least that is used here) is Sweden, Norway and Denmark, not Finland. Even thou it sometimes are included.

[Master Marcus]

Locutus, I'm terribly sorry - of course you are right - I read again my choices and I thought it was 15 civs instead of 17! Shame on me. So the whole 9 remaining points for the Ethiopians ( screw the Turks , it takes a famous african civ and the Arabs are already chosen ).

[kIndal]

Here are my votes (20 for each one ):

-Spanish
-Arabs
-Turks/Ottomans
-Incas
-Austrian-Hungarian
-Polish
-Sweden
-Almerienses

[Jay Bee]

nevermind

[Akron]

My votes:
20-Spanish
20-Arabs
20-Incas
20-Turks
20-Huns
20-Ethiopians
20-Assyrians
20-Neanderthals

[Jofre]

I vote :

Celts 20,
Maya 20,
Turks 20,
Catalans 20,
Incas 20,
Mali 20,
Polynesians 20,
Siamese 19,

and...

Inuit/Skimos 1 !!! .

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Akron
20-Neanderthals

Another vote for Neanderthals... What have I started?

Also, I've started NamePOLLS for the top 16-civs with more than one name.
Turks/Ottomans
Phoenicians/Carthaginians
Hebrew/Israelis
Ethiopians/Aksumites

[TCO]

Originally posted by Gramphos

Another vote for Neanderthals... What have I started?

Bums me out! I was hoping to get the "kittycats" and "poodles" to win the vote in a groundswell of silliness.

[TCO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Eskimos = Eaters of Men

Not very PC, eh? I'll stick to Inuit.

Oh...I didn't know that was a PC thing. actually I wasn't sure that there was a one to one correspondance.

Is Eskimo really so bad?

[Jer8m8]

if i have any (10?) points left, then +? to Byzantines

[Brad]

Australians 20
Mongols 20

[Internationalist]

Originally posted by Locutus
Internationalist,
So don't say I didn't warn you... In any case, I counted your 20 points for Zimbabwe now.

Oops, sorry Locutus!
I guess I didn't read all of it( I should but I'm usually bored in the midle). I'll try to do that in the future.

[Stuie]

20 - Ethiopians
20 - Arabs
20 - Incas
20 - Assyrians
20 - Vikings
20 - Celts
20 - Mongols
20 - Phoenicians

[LoD]

Poles 20
Spaniards 20
Arabs 15
Incas 15
Turks 15
Swedes 10
Czechs 5

[Aizovin]

Aren't we actually suggesting tribes only and not actual Civilizations yet? I thought that was the whole point of the game, to make your tribe into a civilization. Just a thought though.

Regarding tribes like the Egyptians and Aztecs, if their civilizations had lasted, their cultures might have impact on modern day societies, but sadly no. So, even if some of the tribes suggested are considered too 'minor' or unimportant culturally now, at least, in a game like Civilization, there is a chance that they would rise and have some significance!

Anyway, my votes:
Koreans 20
Vietnamese 20
Khmer 20
Thai 20
Indonesians 20
Mongols 20
Ethiopians 10
Malians 10
Ghanaians 10
Nigerians 10

Pardon, but Indonesians and Javans, what would be the differences? Would the Indonesians encompass the Sumatrans, Moluccans, Buginese, Timorese, Balinese, Javanese etc.?

[JellyDonut]

Change to my vote:

-20 Spanish (they have enough votes already )
+20 Polish (in light of the new thread)

[jdd2007]

-20 Spanish
-20 Mongols
+20 Koreans
+20 Poles

[Gramphos]

People start to take back their votes for the top, maybe it isn't that fixed as I thought.
BTW Locutus, when will be the next update?

[Ubik]

+20 Mayan
+20 Spanish
+20 Mongols
+20 Numides
+20 Neanderthal

[mactbone]

Alright, I've finally found three civs worthy of my 39 points

17 - Luxembourg
16 - Lichtenstein
6 - The Empire

[PGM]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
Locutus, Looking thru your list I noticed you have 'Iberians' listed with 10 points. Since Iberians are obviously Spanish + Portuguese, wouldn't it be fair to split up those 10 points between the two individual civs? Otherwise these are wasted points.

Agreed.

[axi]

Neathertals 20
Slavs 20
Byzantines 20
Siamese/Thai 20
Indonesians 20
Cubans 20
Malians 20 (Mali actually)
Huns 20

Perhaps in the end we would want to merge some civs into other similar ones (if the people who voted such would agree)

[Gramphos]

60 points for Neanderthals since the last update
That will give them over 100 points.
And all to 8 points from me that I took back later

[Oerdin]

The only civ I really would like to see included is the Scots. So I'm giving all the points I possibly can to the Scots.