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Old September 16, 2001, 16:39   #121
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Can we possibly play Friday night/Sat moring thi week as I will almost definatly be unavailalbe Thursday night/Friday morning
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Old September 16, 2001, 17:11   #122
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I would be glad for Vice-Chancellor to return to the helm. However I believe Capo told me a week ago he wanted me to sub this week. I'll have to wait to hear what he has to say. If he needs me then i promised him and i'll lead the EU, if not then i'd gladly take over the Israelis.

Truthfully I'm pulling for you Raspy and would prefer being the boyz in blue.
Well ok then if he got in first, as per my post above i want a change of day this week.

and if my plans are fulfilled soon it wont make any differince if you paly EU or WAAR... The boys of the white and blue shall be victorious !!!!!
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OOC - Yes, I am back to talking about the game...
Sorry about my latest OOC outbursts and the fact that I haven't said much as far as my availability goes. But que sera sera.

Anyway, as of right now I have every intention of playing this week, thus Ozzy can take over WAAR again.

Its around 10:19, what I'm gonna actually do now is fix the damn modpack so it f*ckin works instead of screwing everything up. It will work superbly, you guys will think I'm a beast or something. I promise...

Now for stories!
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Stockholm, Sweden; Continued...
Gustav looked at his watch 'only ten minutes' he thought to himself, slowly screwing the silencer onto his gun. He slowly began approaching the front of the stairs, with no boots on, quietly making his way up the stairs...

"So, the first speaker we have today is General Busconi. General." said Franco as he backed away from the podium.

General Busconi was a very old man, but he was large an had strong facial features, a very respectable man. He approached the podium and cleared his throat "Fellow soldiers, leaders, and Europeans. The issue at hand is very important to our nation, to the future of the world, and more importantly to the unification of the Western nations into a strong coalition. It is no secret in the world of global affairs that our area of the world, known as the Western World has been racked for centuries with war and struggle. Ever since the dawn of time, the first written records showed that the Euro-Israeli alliance was nearly at war with a Pan-African movement. Ever since that day there has never been a dull moment in our part of the world. Finally this trend is doing a one-eighty; the nations of the West are looking towards a mutual understanding. One that will provide our people with peace and prosperity, one that will ensure perpetual respect and cooperation between our Western brothers, and one that may lead to peace throughout the world. Heh, usually it isn't a good thing when your job becomes obsolete, but if I had to become unemployed this is how I'd like it to occur." he said, the assembly laughed "But in all seriousness, the new plans for a Western Coalition, even one that didn't include any type of military machine, are probably the best thing that could happen to Europe and to all nations in the West. I whole-heartedly support it. But what I am here to announce is not the fact that Western unity is becoming closer than ever, I'm sure our distinguished assembly is already quite aware. What I am hear to announce is a new alliance, a new pact. This will be formed out of military cooperation and political respect."

Mina looked down at her watch, she began to worry, the time was growing nearer. She leaned over towards the Prime Minister "I have to use the restroom." He simply smiled and nodded.

"The Western Asian and American Republic, also known as WAAR have agreed to terms with the European Union. We shall form a military alliance. Combined with our allies in the Zulu Federation this triple entente will be quite the force to be reconed with." General Busconi continued...

Gustav crept quietly against the wall, he was only a few feet before the door that held the Russians. 'Just turn and fire Gustav' he said to himself 'Remember your training.' He inched his way towards the enterance, let out a short breath and turned, firing directly at the two Russians, they fell to the ground immedeatly, he had remembered his marksmanship. Just then the door downstairs shut. He quickly ran into the room and hid behind a desk. Footsteps could be heared coming up the stairs, Gustav held his breath so as not to make a sound...

"Other nations may consider this announcement a threat to their power and stability, this is not the case. This should be seen as a sign of things to come, a sign of mutual respect and peace in the West. Only the Mali Nation stands alone in the West, political moves shall be made in that direction as well. When the West finally becomes united, we can further our own goals. We can open up avenues of trade, scientific cooperation the likes of which humankind has yet to see, new roads connecting the mighty metropolises of the West, and the establishment of strong militaries to protect our interests. Of all the things the West has seen, only war will take an exit. Now begins the era of peace in the Western world. Thank you." finished the General, the assembly stood up and clapped.

DeGaulle turned to MP Winston Churchill "A fine speech, we should send a dignitary to Mali as soon as possible, we need to make sure they don't issue a statement denying a Western Coalition, not until we've spoken to them. It wouldn't be good, perceptions would be negative."

"Agreed." Said Churchill, nodding as he clapped...

The footsteps grew louder and closer as Igor came into the doorway "Dimitri I-" he was silenced by the sight of his fallen comrades, he dropped a brown paper bag, a loud thud was heared as it hit the floor. He looked stunned and pulled out a firearm, looking around the room. Gustav quickly rose up and fired three shots into his chest, he quickly hit the ground dead...

"Excuse me ma'am." said a Protection Agent.

"Yes?" said Mina, puffing her cigarette.

"Would you come with me please?" he said, gently grabbing her arm...

After a ten minute car ride they arrived at a tall glass office building, it was unmarked. As they entered the foyer there were two armed Eurokorps soldiers, who checked the identification card of the Agent, they allowed him through with no discussion. He escorted her towards the elevator, to the eleventh floor, and then to a room at the end of the hall, there were no numbers on this door. The Agent knocked three times and said "Agent Powlus."

The door opened, there was only a table and a single light hanging from the ceiling, sitting on the other side of the table were three men she'd never seen in her life and Prime Minister DeGaulle. "Charlie what's going on?"

"Sit down Claudia." he said.

"My name is Mina, I don't-"

"Sit down." he repeated, she listened. He then tossed a manilla folder onto the table "Open it." he said.

Again she listened, opening it up to reveal her photo and a full report, as well as her birth certificate. Claudia Pochenko, a Ukrainian girl from Porta Donua. "I don't, what is this? It must be some sort of joke."

"That's funny, I see nobody laughing." said the Prime Minister.

"Charlie, please, this is ridiculous." she said.

"Actually, what's ridiculous is the complete lack of loyalty you Communists have. Your friends Igor and Dimitri have already told us about your safehouses in Russia, Finland and Poland. Not only that but they're willing to testify against you as well, they'll be let go of course, we've got all the information we need. Boys, get her out of my sight." he said as he stood up, she tried to get up as well but the agents held her in her seat.

"Charlie, no, they don't know, they're lying!" she cried.

"We'll find out soon enough, I have men on their way there now, you're going to jail anyway." he said as he began to leave.

"I swear, if they told you anything its an ambush, Dimitri is second in command to Lenin, he'd never give up the safehouses, I swear. I'll tell you! Please, you have to believe me." she said.

"Why would I believe some Ukrainian whore? Huh?" he replied.

"Please, you have to believe me, I'll tell you all of the safehouses, you can even test me, there's one here in Stockholm, its an old abandoned building. They were going to bomb the Joint Cheif's meeting today, but I assume you've already found out about it?" she said.

"Yes, well alright give me the address..."

Ten Minutes Later...

"Sir, agent Gustav Adolphus is on the phone." said one of his staff members. He quickly grabbed the phone.

"Have they been disposed of?" asked Prime Minister DeGaulle.

"Yes sir, everything has been taken care of. I'll see you in Berlin."

"Thank you, have a wonderful evening." he replied.

"You know I will, goodbye sir..."
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No need to change the time, I am here to sub.

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It will take some time
To really get back into this game, but our group has gone through a lot of sh1t and I have no doubt this game will go on.

What we need to do is determine whos still with us.

*Raz says he cant play this week - do we have a sub?
*Dangime couldnt play last session due to connection problems and expressed his frustration- will he play this week?
*I'm not sure about Capo
*I think Belinda is up for this week as well as Deity, Pro and I

So if anyone reads this, please "check in"........

It's going to take <i>real</i> effort to keep this game going, so we need to know whos with it or not.

I'll be on Thursday evening, hope to see the regulars.
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looks like I'm okay for this Thurs.
looks like capo in in! looks like theOZman can sub for Raz
looks like Drake is up for it
assuming Mongols and Chinese are accounted for and
Deity can actually log on this week, we might have a game!

The question then becomes -- who will host? Because as you recall, last successful host we had was Raz!

oh, and if the new and improved beastMaster-modpack is modified again, I assume I got to have that inplace before Thurs. nite? lol (just teasing you, capo -- you know I think you a beast anyhow )
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Rebels in America Colonies Revolt
News FLash...

The american Colonies are in uproar tonight after the discovery that the Reich Chnacelor had ordered the assasination of one of their governors. News spread like wildfire and soon mass protests were organsies across the width and breadth of the colonies. All government buildings are burning as the Americans fight for their freedom from oppresion. More news to come!!!
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The officer ran into the office of his superios with out knocking, a very unusal occurance and so his superiour knew immedialty there was something big happening.

"What is it Corporal? " Asked Major General Will Gangle, leader of the Armed forces in Texas.

"The Rebels have attqacked sir, they have got mass support and have set fire to the toen hall and the library, this is occuring across all of the Ameircas." he panted out. " Sir you must call out the troops"

"Yes yes corporal, return to your post and I wqil lreport in"

"Aye Sir"
The young corporla about facxed and left the office, as soon as he was gone Will smiled and relaxed. It was finally occuring he thought to himslef. So much planning and now freedom for his people. For he too was an American at heart and detested the foul leadership of the Rheich Chancellor. He lent over and picked up his secret radio and dialed the appropiate frequency then used his call sign to identify himself
"Wild Cat Wild Cat this is Sabre Tooth"
After a short delay of static he got his reply
"Go ahead Sabre Tooth this is Wild cat"
"Wild Cat, The Eagle has landed, I repeat , the Eagle has landed"
More static then a reply.
"Sabre tooth you are instructed to go for Gold !!! Repeat go for Gold"
"Roger Wild Cat going for Gold". He switched of the radio and smiled again, ahhh freedom he lvoed the mere sound of it.
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"Roberto, Sabre tooth has been ordered to Go for Gold. Hopefully the operation will be complete by the morning."

"Ahh good " said Roberto Auldinsky, the secret head of the American Rebels. " All i need now is to hear from Madam Sarah in Jeruslam and Operation Caged Cat will be complete."

"She is standing by to make her speech imedaitly the Cat is Caged sir"

"Good good, Freedom will be ours this time tomorrow Frank."

"Yes Roberto finally after all these years.."
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OOC - Update on Modpack Improvement...
Alright, I'm sorry about the whole "not being around thing." But I've had a lot to handle lately, between volunteer work here in DC and the whole Marine thing I've been pretty busy. I may not join the Marines due to some recent information I have recieved about how long everything will take before I am "full-fledged" and the fact that my signifigant other doesn't want me to join. But I am still pretty much decided that this is where I want to go with my life.

But it shouldn't effect this game at all, that is taking into consideration that guess-timated time it will take to finish.

I am going to make the modpack tonight, it will be fixed perfectly and I intend on making this a masterpeice to make up for everything I've done and haven't done throughout the course of this game.

As of right now all national flags and names will be the same as the original 2.2 except for the Israelis will now be known as WAAR and their flag will be very different. So Raz we'll see how much you like it.

Anyway I gotta go to class right now. Everyone take care of yourselves, and as a member of the "political scene" (I am giving myself major credit here obviously) I want all of you Yanks to know that this struggle is going to take years, if we want to end this menace we have to obliterate it, removing the leader won't work in this case.

Alright, peace.
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Wow, capo you look normal
Actually man you look like this guy i go to school with....
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actually, capo, you bear a striking resemblence to my youngest brother, the rocket scientist (ok, we just call him that: he's a mech engineer at NASA)
but since you're all in the political scene, tell those guys we need a new kinda warfare....cause anything we've done before ain't gonna get it; if they try to take Afghanistan by ground probably make Nam look like a picnic in the park (ask the Russians)and grid-bombing the whole dang place sounds really expensive (satisfying though).
they should go for the money first. I mean, cut ol' Osmama off the trust fund and see how good he does.

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But it shouldn't effect this game at all, that is taking into consideration that guess-timated time it will take to finish.
Does this mean you won't be around when HOTW 3 finally starts?
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Newly Elected President Sarah Ben-Judah addresses the somber crowd of officials and people gathered outside the capitol building in Israel.

Ben-Judah- This is a dark, dark day in the history of our nation. A day that will live in infamy. Our nation was delibretly attacked by the nation of Mali with no declaration of war or prior notice. In fact our nations were entirely at peace. The ruthless Mali with no provocation whatsoever massacred two entire cities in their destructive path before finally capturing the Israeli city of Egypt. In total 20 divisions of Israel's best troops were destroyed in this dastardly surprise attack. Two cities lay in rubble and one captured.

People- We demand Justice! They must pay!

Ben-Judah- Please everyone calm down. Our troops who were recalled from their peaceful footing and sent to secure our borders once more. The Mali nation lost cities all along their northern coast. Our superior troops easily crushed the Mali rabble, we could have gone further but we stopped and asked for peace. The Mali refused.

Ben-Judah- Two more cities in the South were taken and again we asked for peace. All nations of the world gathered in China to conduct peace deliberations. Our only goal was to secure our own peace and security, their goal was war and conquest. After listening to both sides the neutral China drafted a very fair peace proposal. While not exactly what we wanted WAAR made a compromise and agreed to the terms, we proved we were willing to forgo much for peace. The Mali refused the treaty. They were intent on nothing short of total war.

Israel listened to the world. The world said stop! Remove your troops! Israel listened. Israel removed her troops so peace could be discussed. After Israeli troops had been removed the Zulu made demands for Israeli territory. After refusing a fair and equitable peace agreement the Zulu had the nerve to demand more land. We refused and they too attacked without provocation.

The People- Those evil people! A Jihad on them! Death to all Africans!!

Ben-Judah- After being twice attacked for no reason. After despirate pleas to the world for peace going unanswered. After the world silently watched countless abuses of international treaties it was time to say enough. Nothing Israel did, nothing we proposed was sufficient. The Zulu and Mali were intent on war and nothing else, so we gave them what they wanted.

All out war.

The People- Hooray!!!!! Revenge!!!!!
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Well I guess the Mlai finally showed their true colours, they hav ealways been puppets of the Zulus, Eve nwhen allied to the Israelis they showed they couldnt be trusted by lack of communications and now they attack unprovoked !!!!
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Letter to World Leaders
My Fellow citizens of the world

At a time when world peace was upon us and open trade was being encouraged. At a time when the past despotic leaders of Israel and the newly named WAAR had finally been removed. The Mali/Zulu PAct have attacked and murdered tens of thousands of our citizens. How do we say to our people that the evil leader sof our past were wrong about the world being agaisnt us when the world sits idly by and allows the murder of our people. We call on the world to once and for all end the African Problem , If we look back through history we wil lsee that it has been the Africans behind all the major conflicts, either directly or indirectly. How many Israelis must die, how many Arabs, how many Asians, how many Americans must die? The time is now here. The time is now for the world to stand agaisnt them and wipe them from the face of the earth.
We call on our brothers the Mongols who hav ebeen our friends for centuries to come to our aid in this crisis. We call on our true brothers to the north the Europeans to come top our aid. We call on our neighbours in america the Chinese to come to our aid , and we call on our past ally and friend the Australains to rember that many of their citizens hav eIsraeli heritage, come to our aid now.
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<font size=5>Israel kills millions in name of "peace"</font>

1570AD

The Mali homeland has been decimated by the "peace loving" *snicker* Israelis. Without mercy, waves of artillery swept through the Mali's country, killing innocent civilian after innocent civilian. This was not an attempt at peace, or even mere revenge. This was naked aggression and conquest. The Mali capitol is now in the hands of the Israelis, as well as most of their major cities. In all senses of the word, the Mali has been destroyed.......

Let us go back to what started this conflict:

For decades, there was an Israeli military presence in close proximity to Mali cities. They were not units of defense, oh no, they were weapons of destruction. Weapons of destruction poised to attack. And it is the world consensus that Israel had in fact, been plotting an attack against the Mali for quite some time and that a pre-emptive strike was the Mali's only defense against the Israeli mercenaries. And so they attacked. They attacked and drove the Israelis back. There was no intent to annihilate the Israels, it was an attempt to provide some much needed breathing room. After taking out specific targets, the Mali withdrew their offensive.

Their actions surely did not reflect any of the world leaders attitudes, as they devised this plan completely alone, contrary to other un-informed propaganda. This attack did not come as a shock to anyone either. The Israelis are known world wide for their treacherous and murderous past, and as some say, what goes around comes around.

But that was not how Israel saw it. Instead of showing that they had in fact, turned over a new leaf and were going to change their ways, they reverted to the reflexes of what seems to be in-grained in every Israeli. They did not talk, they did not negotiate. They went on a mission of revenge against the Mali. Instead of taking back just what had been lost and perhaps another city or two as punishment, the Israelis proceeded to knock out the entire Mali presence in the Mediterraen and brutalized their American presence as well. And they claimed to be diplomats.

Immideately following these attacks, China called to order a Peace Summit. A Peace Summit that ended in frustration and got the world nowhere. Both the Mali and Israelis felt they were in the right and argued their cases. Though the Zulus clearly knew the culprits were the conquest loving Israelis, the trusting Aussies and Chinese seemed to buy what Israel was saying. But now their eyes have been opened. The Israelis are now seen as what they truly are, the scourge of the human race.

Despite other un-informed propoganda, the Zulus were never behind the initial attack and had given Israel an out to peace. Israel drew the Zulus into this by their own free will. Two cities in central Africa, erteria and ghana, were asked of Israel to be turned over to Zulu control. These cities would have served the Zulus as a defensive cushion against Israel. The Israelis refused after many requests from the Zulu Nation and in the following years, the city was taken by force. Not because the Zulus wanted to. Not because the Zulus wanted more territory. But because the insolence and dis-regard that Israel showed to both the Zulus and the world was insulting. Disgusting in fact.

Israel has killed millions and will kill millions more. It is time the world finally got their heads out of their asses and dealt with the Israelis as they should have been dealt with long ago. If the world is too cowardly to do it, the Zulus will do it themselves. As of now, the <i>only</i> way that Israel will escape their punishment is if they return every city taken in Africa back to the Mali. Egypt, which serves as a sort of choke point between the middle east and africa, will be handed over to the Chinese where peace keeping troops shall remain and protect both AFrica from the Israelis and Israel from the Africans. This is non-negotiable in every sense of the word. The Israelis will comply or they will be forced back into the rat hole from which they started. Israel has grown in it's history, but they are never satisfied. And they never will. They have crossed the line, and now they can never go back.
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(I am so sorry that I missed the session, I tried and tried to get home on time to do make it, I was already going to be a half hour late then all of this crap just started happening and I couldn't be there until ten thirty and I figured I might as well not even get on and try, not that it has anything to do with it but I now have a respiratory infection to add fun to my gimp leg! Whee! I swear, sometimes I think God is trying to tell me something...)

Berlin, Germany; European Union...

"Jesus f*cking Christ!" excalimed DeGaulle as he threw his newspaper upon his desk. "Tommy, Christ, what the hell are we going to do about this?"

"I'm not too sure sir, I'm merely an ambassador, your words are the words I-" said Tomajc Wisniewski, Secretary of State.

"Don't give me that crap, I hired you for a reason, because this is your gig. So Tommy please tell me what we should do about this?" asked the Prime Minister.

"Sir I really have no clue what we should do, it all depends on what standpoint you want to talk, either way we're losing an ally, possibly two. Clearly we can't afford to fight either one." he replied.

"Everytime I blink my eye this sh*t, war somewhere! War in Arabia, war in the Sahara, war in the Khazak deserts! My God Tommy, the whole damn hemisphere is abalze!" he said slamming his fist on his desk.

"Well sir, I'm sure both nations want a response. The masses probably want to know whether or not war is coming as well, a statement will have to be issued within the next 24 hours I'd say."

"I don't even know the specifics, I don't even know what the hell is going on!" exclaimed the Prime Minister.

"Well sir, this necessitates a stance, whether you are prepared to make one or not, I think opting out of this confrontation is going to cost us politically as well as economically. We stand to lose plenty, but if our cards are played right we stand to gain a lot more." said Tomajc.

"Well I'm going to have to speak with the Joint Cheifs as soon as possible. I want all of our intelligence operatives put on high alert, foreign and domestic. You need to have some envoys sent to both the Zulu Federation and WAAR. Also contact the press, it seems I have to make a statement here..."
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(Uh, I just looked at the save, Dangime why is it that even though we agreed to peace terms, you CONTINUE to attack me and have even taken another city? Why wasn't our peace deal brought into effect? I HOPE that you didn't think since Ozzy was subbing for me that you could just keep it up and then get away with a better deal from me simply because you took more land. Because that would be pretty retarded of you. Again, I know its my fault that I didn't show up but I EXPECT our deal to be made just as it was agreed to.)

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The press conference was held at the site of the future United Nations building in Amsterdam, DeGaulle hoped that the speech as well as the view of the building's construction would serve as symbols for impending peace on the Earth, however this was hardly a reality. War had again been declared in the Sahara deserts, the Mongols continued their attacks despite a peace treaty that had been agreed to and signed into existance; clearly the West was neither unified or strong, this speech would have important overtones...

DeGaulle fixed his tie and made sure his papers were in order as he looked over the masses of reporters and camera men. The sky was blue with scant specs of cloud and the temperature was unusually mild for this Dutch autumn. "Fellow Europeans, in the course of any goal there is likely to arise roadblocks, things that will deter you from your straight path towards that goal and cause you to stray from that goal in the quest for new ones. The recent events in the Sahara desert are quite apt when applied to this definition. The goal of the European Union is to unify the Western nations into a peaceful community based on trade and mutual protection, this goal as stated numerous times in the past requires understanding and patience for our Western brethren. When it came to my attention that WAAR Raflitzers and troops ran rougshod against Mali soldiers and garrisons my heart fell to the pit of my stomach. So much segway had been accomplished in the quest for Western unity, and it had now all been crushed in a few short weeks. Then word comes that the Zulus may or may not have been involved in this struggle; a small border dispute gone awry. The once proud Mali Empire now lies in veritable rubble, the powerful WAAR Empire now spans without break from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic, to the Indian Ocean. The balance of power has shifted emmensely, Western unification has become that much harder. The WAAR Empire, worried that a Zulu-Mali, possibly including the Europeans, Western pact may attempt to liberate their newfound territories have asked the Mongolian leader Dangime for support against the Mali-Zulu alliance. Again, this doesn't help the cause of Western unification. So I stand before you a very confused man, a man who's integrity will be called upon by two nations, two Western nations who's respect I hold dear and who's cooperation is necessary for the unification of our hemisphere. Therefore, based on all of these considerations the European Union will declare itself Neutral from this conflict until further notice. Information must be gathered to foster the true causes of these most recent acts of aggression. Only then will we know who is the aggressor and who had been aggressed. Now I will take questions."

The members of the press shot out random questions like a gyser, finally DeGaulled pointed to one of the reporters, he asked "Prime Minister DeGaulle, do you believe that this conflict in the Sahara could very well bring about a third world war?"

"Well, I think that if we allow our emotions to overtake our reason we could be looking at a very advanced and large struggle, in terms of geography. But I know that many nations, even those directly involved want to avoid any type of large-scale war, so I think cooler heads will prevail in this case. Yes?"

"Prime Minister DeGaulle, don't you think opting out of this issue is going to cost the EU any push at all in establishing a unified Western hemisphere?"

"Well, that could be the case, but strictly speaking we have a battle which is prospectively going to be fought between two of our allies. We have nothing to do with this and as of now have no reason to get involved directly." he pointed at another reporter "Yes?"

"Prime Minister DeGaulle" she asked "Following any type of information gathering investigation, do you see any situation that would be volatile enough to apply ground troops?"

"Well obviously anyone can conjur up some situation that would result in the use of ground troops. However as of right now it would take a lot, this administration is not in support of the use of ground troops at this time, its too early in the reconstruction phase to even entertain the notion." he then nodded at another reporter.

"In terms of importance, which alliance would you rather see kept alive, our alliance with the Zulus or our alliance with WAAR?"

"Well you can't really answer that in a situation like this, but they're both our allies, and deserve the same respect that the other would get. We don't play favorites, this is a business, we treat it like that." said the Prime Minister "Alright, any further questions can be forwarded to the Secretary of State, its been fun but I am out of time." he said waving, many reporters attempted to get final questions in, but he left far too hastily...
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Capo, talk to me aol....

Both EU and Mongolia was AI....I think Dangime is out of the game
Ozzy played as Israel...he is the one who carried out the atrocities.

Also, Belinda is probably gone too....after being raped, i dont think she has any desire to continue.
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Sarah, you look drained...

Yes, Avi, this is too much for me, I wasn't prepared for these terrible circumstances. After centuries of warfare conducted by those damn fascists finally the Israeli people rose up and said enough. We took back our country for the people and for peace. Our Democracy was still young and then war struck us again.

There was nothing you could do... those backstabbing Mali attacked us for no reason. It was a coordinated attack they had planned for years.

Now the Africans whine and complain and pretend to be the victims. Ha! The Mali attacked us! They attacked us without any provocation....... Avi, I tried so hard. My first actions as President were to recall all our troops, the unit of Marines that had caused all the trouble outside of Alabama were recalled and sent home, unfortunately those brave men never made it home. Our entire economy was maximized for peace. Temple, factory, and marketplace construction spread throughout our land. All troops were sent home and put on furlough. I wanted peace so bad. The Israeli people wanted peace.....

....and the Mali ruined it. You did what was right. They destroyed two WAAR cities! They captured the province of Egypt with their screams of "Africa for Africans!" they whimper and pretend their actions were justified. Those battle calls were not for defense, they were not for justice, they were for Africa. They were for territory. The Mali proved to the world they are not to be trusted.

I am so tired Avi... Tired and frustrated. Our people were massacred and the world shrugged. Everything I did for peace was destroyed by the bloodthirsty Mali and the pretend to be victims. I am afraid Avi, the vile propaganda of the Zulu and Mali may be turning world opinion against us. How can they possibly claim to be victims when they attacked us?!

Madam President I understand how taxing this must be on you, I understand you are tired, but I am still angry. The rage flows through my veins. The vile Mali claim our troops were too close, they claim our troops were going to attack, but our troops were going home! Our troops were withdrawing and then they attack! Our entire nation was mobilizing for peace and they attacked. I ma'am am proud of the actions you took. I am proud of the powerful Israeli army. How can we be safe if nations will attack us for no reason and then get away with it?

Thank you Avi, but the world feels we may have gone too far.

That is insane, every step of the way you paused and tried to negotiate for peace, but the Mali refused. You even trusted our fate to the neutral Chinese who drafted a neutral treaty, but again the Mali scoffed at the world. They refused to make peace on any terms other than increasing their empire with sovereign WAAR territory. They proved without a doubt they are out for war and nothing else. They fight to the last man intent on our destruction.

I bear the Mali no ill-will Avram, they are a proud though untrustworthy people. We only wanted to live in peace with them, and that is all we still want. Even now with their empire in rubble, having been nearly driven from their homeland I would return everything if they can agree to the Chinese peace plan.

But Madam! After the backstabs and the massacres you would just give it all back? You know we can't trust them. You know they will never accept peace. Those fanatical Mali would fight on till their last city has been wiped from the planet.

I hope it won't come to that, I really don't. I only wanted peace, from the moment I was elected all I've worked for was peace and they ruined everything. If the Mali agree to the China peace proposal we can have our security and live in peace with our neighbors. That is all we want. Why can't the Mali accept that? Why can they not accept an overly fair deal to save themselves? They complained before that their 5 North American cities weren't worth the 6 cities we would be turning over to them, now I would be shocked to see them turn down a trade of 12 cities for 4.

Madam! You cannot be serious! Many Israeli solders died to win that land. You cannot trade half the continent of Africa for a few worthless colonies in America! This is insane, the military will not stand for it! The Mali and the Zulu have never agreed to any concessions, they never compromised in the least, all the wanted was more more more. More land, more blood, more death, more deception. How can you be so forgiving on this rogue nation?

Avi, our people have known war for far too long. I was elected by the people to bring peace. This is my last chance to make it happen. The Zulus seek to expand their vast empire and the Mongols may seek to defend us, but only at the cost of more lives. The world must be made to see that Israel is a peaceful nation only interested in security and its own peace. The world must see that we would be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice, trade away half of Africa to secure peace. If that still does not convince them of our peaceful intent I'm afraid nothing will. Avi, send for the Secretary of State, a letter must be sent to all nations asking once again for peace.

Sarah I refuse. I will not allow you to betray our people and our nation like this. We control half of Africa we will not give it away to barbarians and terrorists. They will only stab us in the back again.

Avram Hyman I am your President. That is a direct order. Send for the Secretary of State at once.

.....yes Madam Ben-Judah.
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TO: Dictator Chaka, Comrade General Shakeem

CC: President Prometheus, President Paul Keating, President Lord Dangime, President Charles DeGaulle

FROM: President Sarah Ben-Judah

The world has once again been torn apart by war. This is a grave and regrettable matter. The Mali surprise attack is a barbaric measure only resorted to by backwards totalitarian nations like those in Africa. WAAR looks upon these events with grief and anger, but seeks the Democratic virtue of peace.

During the conflict all nations gathered in Prometheus City to discuss terms of peace. Mali and WAAR presented their sides and the neutral China proposed a peace agreement. This peace agreement was acceptable to all nations accept the Mali who responded by attacking further. Despite further misactions by the Mali and the Zulu WAAR again calls for the ratification of the China Peace Proposal as it is the fairest proposal ever proposed.

WAAR calls for the following terms to be met:

- All Mali territory in the Americas be turned over to WAAR
- North America be declared a Mali-free zone
- All captured Mali territory in Africa be returned to Dictator Chaka
- All African borders be returned to their pre-war state
- All defensive and offensive troops be allowed to leave territory to switch hands
- Chinese peace keepers be permanently positioned in Africa between Israeli territory and that of Mali and the Zulu
- Peacekeepers will be such to prevent any travel of any foreign military troops across the border

The Israeli cabinet feels these terms were fair when first proposed and fairer now that Mali will gain far more cities than it will loose.

Signed,
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Capo, talk to me too. Obviously if Drake believes I committed "all the atrocities" he will be giving you bunk, biased information. You need to talk to me too to get both sides.

I need to talk to you too Raz. Much has happened as you can see.

Does anyone know about Frank? Drake, why you suspect he is not coming back?

Last night was tense and frustrating, but overall it went very well (play wise). No disconnections or restarts. No technical problems of any kind. I don't think the game has had a session that long in a while. Downside is there were two AI civs, which was very unfortunate.

Capo, don't get mad about the Mongols attacking you, they were AI and so were you. BTW your AI attacked and captured one of Israel's cities. Both AI captured cities need to be returned when play resumes under human leadership.
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Damn man, my life blows. Total BS has happened every week for like the past month, I now have Resperitory Infection or something, this blows!!! (Guess I should stop smokin the cowboy killers).

Alright, its Saturday I have somewhere to be in about an hour, I'm going to post and finish the modpack, then when I get home tonight I'm going to post the modpack up. Drake usually doesn't get online over the weekend so I guess the "EU's First Meeting" will be with a WAAR representative. If Frank doesn't return I suggest Ozzy take over, if Belinda doesn't return I suggest the same thing. If neither returns the Ozzman should take his pick, obviously.

Finally, yeah I noticed "Kurdistan" was taken by EU forces, it will be returned, and hopefully the Mongols will finally return the cities they said they would return TWO SESSIONS ago.

We're not in totally bad shape.... I guess...
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President DeGualle slowly approached the door to the meetingplace as his protection agents opened it. Sitting inside were Admiral Franco and General Busconi. The times were very tense, and this meeting was quite important. He sat down and opened a silver cigarette case, carefully pulled one out and lit it, then opened his folder. He then looked at the Admiral and raised his eyebrows.

Franco cleared his throat and said "Good evening Mr. President. Um, we have a few issues to discuss."

"Yes, we do Franky. Namely; why the hell did we invade Israel? Why the hell are the Mongolians moving FARTHER into Russia? I was under the impression that the President would be one of the first to know when war was declared, I have to see this sh*t on the news?!?! I don't even know what the hell to say to this!" he said angrily.

"I understand sir, its ver-" Franco attempted to respond but was quickly interrupted.

"You understand?!?! How the hell is that? Last time I checked I beat you in the elections. You sit around in your little sailor outfit and that's all you do, I have a responsability to worry about things like this, I have to make sure I get votes just to keep my job, you, you're secure!" exclaimed the President.

"With all due respect sir, maybe if you'd use one head a little more than you did the other this wouldn't be such an issue." said Franco.

"What the hell kind of, do you want to get fired?" asked the President standing up, the General too stood up.

"Please, Franky, Charlie, we've known eachother for years, let's not get like this. Arguing is not going to help anyone, right now we have a huge international situation on our hands. And Mr. President you especially have a lot of answers to give. So I suggest we get down to business and let these personal squabbles rest until the next cocktail party in Berlin." DeGaulle fixed his suit and sat down.

"Very well, General Busconi is right. We have a responsability here. Now what I want to know is how the hell a strike was made against Israel without Presidential approval? I mean, I never even heared of this, it must have happened very quickly." asked the President.

"We're not too sure, possibly a rogue commander we don't know. An investigation is pending, I mean this all happened very quickly sir." replied Busconi.

"Well we have to get that handled, we must offer an apology and a return of the territory at once. Christ, how this could happen is beyond me, one week they offer us aide in our efforts towards the UN, the next week we're marching into their country." said the President "And what's being done about a Navy?"

"Well not much is being done currently, your budget isn't really allowing much space for any sort of armed forces, let alone naval forces. I have been speaking with Chinese officials though, they were there at the initial peace talks, the ones that failed. Its not good sir, the African States are claiming another Israeli land grab, Israeli is claiming that the Africans are trying to destroy their military in Africa so they can take the last Israeli pockets in Africa." he shook his head "The Chinese are worried this could bring about a Third World War."

There was a long silence, finally DeGaulle said "Well we must prevent a Third World War at all costs. We can't afford to allow it to happen. The Union can't take it, the world couldn't take it. We have to open up dialogue with China, Mali, Israel and the Zulus. We must contain this fire at all costs." he took another drag of his cigarette "Alright, alright. General, you must go to Israel and handle the entire return of Kurdistan. We can't allow that to be an issue. I want a dispatch to Asia as soon as possible, this Mongolian thing must be ended at the first possible moment. We can't allow this thorn in our paw to bother us during this time period. I want diplomatic feelers sent out to Australia as well, it will be interesting to see what they want here. Other than that I trust you men to your own decisions. Alright, I'll await some sort of updates within the next week, hopefully some segway is made before then. And in a month I'll see you gentlmen in Berlin. Adieu."
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TO: The leadership of WAAR, the Mali Nation-State, and the Zulu Federation.

FROM: The Honorable Prime Minister Charles DeGaulle of the European Parliament.

Dear sirs and madames. It is quite rare that I personally write letters to foreign dignitaries. In fact, it has never once occured in the history of my nation that the leader himself has done so, however the recent events that have unfolded in the world warrant such a change in policy.

War has again ravaged the Western World. The Conference in En Nahud, the one that was ended early due to the passing of Prime Minister Enzo Pagniacci was supposed to establish long lasting peace and prosperity to our area. At this conference, although it didn't finish in the way it was intended, it was agreed that peaceful cooperation would be the new rule of thumb in our area of the world; clearly this promise, this agreement was not fufilled.

It is understood that no formal treaties were signed, no formal deals came to fruition, and no meeting even occured in a proper manner. However the very concept of the meeting, the very ideas shared and the concepts agreed upon should have been enough to prevent this blatant use of military force in the face of diplomatic possibilites. To the Mali I say this; why was a military avenue used before a diplomatic one?

To the Israelites I say this; why were bullets the first response when words could have sufficed?

To the Zulus I say this; why was a war of this magnitude allowed to occur for so long without some sort of neutral intervention?

Yes, you can ask these same questions to the European Union, our response would probably be the same. The fact of the matter is Western diplomacy failed and we went back to our roots, which are either indifference or military action. We must end these horrible trends as soon as possible. I believe another Western Conference is required, one to iron out a peace treaty for this completely avoidable war, and to set national borders in the West for all time. One that may finally achieve the goal of Western peace and prosperity. I await your responses with great anxiety, hopefully peace will finally be achieved in our world.

Thank you for your time, and God bless you.

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It is with little surprise that news from the Capital reports the resignation of Madam Sarah Ben-Judah from the Presidency. After many years of war she felt she was not able to continue in her role. In her place she has appointed her confidont and best friend Roberto Auldinsky.

Senator Auldinsky immediatly announced a meeting with the European Union to discuss peace plans after rebel Balkan troops attacked the Khurds in Khurdistan.

The Newly formed WAAR High Council voted to agree to Madam Ben-Judahs wishes and elected Senator Auldinsky to the position of President. Madam Ben-Judah was chosen as the Vice-President.

Newly elected President Auldinsky also annoucned a meeting with the Mongols to garnish a peace treaty between Mongols and European Union.

President Auldinsky announced he would look at the Proposed Peace Agreement released by Madam Ben-Judah beleiving that it may not lead to true peace in the region. His suggestion being that the European Union should be the peace keepers in the region and that the WAAR and Zulus should allow EU control of all border citys to prevent any further conflicts in region. Obviosuly the hatred between WAAr and Zulu peoples goes too deep to allow them withing shooting distances. President Auldinsky will release maps and names of suggested Citys for EU occupation later this week.

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Charles had been stressed out over the past few months, between the issues in Uralsky and Turkey, and the situation in the Sahara he was completely drained. Not to mention the assassination attempt by the Communists in Oslo. The proceedings had been a blur to him entirely as he sat at the head of Parliament, finally he heared the Majority leader Winston Churchill announce his name...

DeGaulle slowly approached the podium, he was tired, and it was quite apparent to anyone with eyes. "My fellow Europeans, it has been quite the Ministry for me. My administration has seen many things come and many things go, we have attempted to iron out peace in our region, only to see yet another war blaze accross the golden deserts of the Sahara. We have seen peace and prosperity finally come to Europe, only to see internal strife yet again rear its ugly head. The time alotted to the Prime Minister is not enough to fully gage his responsability. I believe that one more term is necessary for my administration to show what we are capable of doing, we have young and idealistic people in charge of important positions. Tomajc Wisniewski is the youngest Secretary of State, Adriana Alessi the youngest Secretary of the Interior. I hope and pray that this body will understand that my experience over this past term has made me stronger, everything I said I would do I have done. I have improved the infrastructure of Europe as much as possible given the budget, I have seen to it that peace between Asia and Europe became a reality, I have seen to it that the West is even more aligned due to alliances with the Zulu Federation and the West Asian and American Republics. Now when you cast your vote remember not only what your constituents want, but also what the futuer of this nation will be. Thank you, and viva la Europa!" DeGaulle knew he was destined for failure. He realized his approval rating had dropped dramatically, and thus his party lost votes. The Doves ruled Parliament now, and Churchill would come out on top, he could only sit back and watch his career go down in flames. He looked over to his ministers, Adriana Alessi the Dove had probably betrayed him, the Doves knew everything to say at the perfect times. He couldn't help but think that his attempt at bi-partisanship may have bit him in the ass. He shook his cabinet's hand and took his seat as Churchill approached the podium.

"Well" he began "DeGaulle's second term has passed, and its quite apparent that things are not going well. Uralsky again lies in rubble as Asian forces push farther into our nation. They have taken Orenburg now. They have entered the province of Russia. Turkey also smolders in flames as Ottoman Rebels, our own home grown domestic rebels, attack and slaughter innocent Kurds in a WAAR province. DeGaulle has done nothing about either of these things. Europe has attempted since the days of Enzo Pagniacci, the last Dove Prime Minister, to create a peaceful Western coalition. However since the administration of DeGaulle there has been another war, another huge war, in the Sahara desert. Europe was slow to do anything about this. Let us face facts, time is not required, responsability and some semblence of attention is required for this office. DeGaulle has shown neither quality. Although he has been a respected colleague of mine for years I must say his term in office has been an embarrassment to this nation and this body. I believe the time has come to end this at once, it is time to bring Europe back from the rubble that has engulfed it. We need to develop our nation, we need roads, we need rail lines, we need infrastructure, we need aquaducts, we need sewer systems, we need places of commerce, we need ports, we need factories, and we need jobs. These things were not attended to by DeGaulle and his staff. The time has come for these things to be attended to. The Western world needs peace, we need order and we need trade to bolster our economy and our science outputs. This is what Europe needs to focus on. This is what I will bring to this nation. We must have a new era in European government. Thank you for your time and viva la Europa!..."

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