Has the pessimism on this board gotten out of hand?

[yin26]

Hmmm, so by the use of the word 'now' are you admitting your hypocrisy in using insults to forward your call for being constructive? If so, I will reply to your request.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Funny how you haven't though .

I respond to fire with fire, acid with acid. You want a change, you make a change. In thus way, insults is consistent with making it constructive.

Yin, yin, yin... you are as boring as you were at OWO. Will your inflated ego ever admit to anything?

[yin26]

insults is consistent with making it constructive

*sigh* Move along folks, nothing to see here. No progress was made after all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

None on your end either (like that was shocking)

What about you wouldn't post again on the thread, unless to speak about something constructive. First post back (less that 24 hours later) is a direct insult. Are you trying to be constructive? Or will you say answering insult with insult?

Same thing I was doing to you? And you don't happen to be a hypocrite? Only me, right? While Yin is perfect

You are a despicable person. Always has been. I spit in your general direction.

[yin26]

Never insulted you in that post. Merely pointed out the VERY obvious point that using insults (which you admit to) to further a claim of "Let's be constructive" is hypocritical.

Simply, really.

And yet you heap on ever MORE insults. Interesting...

[Imran Siddiqui]

And once again, Yin tries to weasel out of it. One wonders if he's every admited to being wrong in his entire life. My bet is on no.

He's a lowlife, really.

And thus endeth this little spat. Yin is saying nothing of consequence.

[yin26]

Oh, I make plenty of mistakes almost on a daily basis, but that's not the issue here. The issue is you seem incapable of having a civil discussion. You insult. You spit. You bring up stuff from 3 years ago for God's sakes.

Say something constructive, Imran. Try.

[ColdWizard]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I respond to fire with fire, acid with acid. You want a change, you make a change. In thus way, insults is consistent with making it constructive.

i've reread the thread and the only insults i see are yours, Imran. did yin insult you in a different thread? if so, i'd greatly appreciate a link or thread title. if i missed any of his insults in this thread please tell me where they are. thank you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=29041

(look at the last line in the first post, especially)

Fire with fire, acid with acid. He has his agenda, I have mine.

And I may have started, but you claim that Yin hasn't done it back? The ultimate in hubris!

Btw, were you on the OWO boards? Then you probably wouldn't understand the history.

Yin, how come I've had civil exchanges with Mister Pleasant and Jeje? Pretty constructive with them. Sorry you seem to bring the worst out of me, always have .

[yin26]

Here's the problem: I am criticizing FIRAXIS ... not you. And I am NOT using personal insults at them, either.

YOU, however, decide that gives you the green light to attack ME using personal insults.

Makes no sense. If you want to attack my arguments, feel free. But you resort to personal attacks which only weakens your point and, in fact, makes you look paranoid and hypocritical.

Sorry, but this is a forum. When I feel I have cause to criticise something Firaxis did, I will. How in the world you then decide it's helpful to attack me with such hate is truly baffling.

And, yes, pathetic. Just so you know:

pa¡¤thet¡¤ic
1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity
2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy

I am taking the 'campassionate' side of the pity and certainly agree with your style being quite sorrowful and melancholy.

Hey guys let's wait 2 weeks and 2 1/2 hrs Pacific and find out just how good or bad the game is, OK?
I just realize our school will have teacher only days on Nov 1 and 2, guess what I will be doing both days plus Sat and Sun. 4 day to play Civ and do nothing else.

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
So, yes, I do see you as a spoiled brat, leading whining children. Sorry if you don't like my analogy.

Imran I take that as a personal attack against anyone, including myself, who have expressed serious reservations about any part of the Civ3 approach in the past. I don't want to get involved in your "discussion" with Yin, but I suggest you take a long hard look at your recent posts and cool off. You are being destructive, offensive and violating the board rules.

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by tniem
And what about Magic: The Gathering? Yes Sid made the computer game for the card game. And yes the game wasn't very good. So he has made bad games.

Just to set the record straight they hired Sid late in the development process to try and improve the single player 'quest' part of the game. The entire original M:tG team had already been fired and of course M:tG was an established card game with its own rules and approach that Sid could not have monkeyed with even had he wanted to. As a recovered M:tG addict I can say that what made the computer game bad was the poor AI and the best part of it (IMO) was the quest game.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by Shiva


Thing is people shouldnt be flamed for the country they are from just the ideas they hold

Of course, but you can't ask to everyone to do a job so hard as reading and understand the message, not just take a glance at the messenger

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by VetLegion
and I repeat my opinion on this; it is easy to play MP game in singleplay, but adding MP to a singleplay game is not easy. MP is not a simple thing, adding it will not be simple if the game was not designed and tested in MP.

I fully agree: the original design must consider MP from scratch or the developers are asking for trouble.
I can understand if a team tell to us: "ok, we fully debugged the SP part, some tuning and bugs solving in MP force us to sell the game in two piece (better if the second, MP part will be added for free, of course).

But speaking about "still working with very interesting and revolutionary idea about MP" (not an exact quote, but I hope I keep the original meaning) make me considering it a bad warning sign.

It seems MP and SP are leading to quite different game coding, and that would means trouble with debugging and upgrading.

Of course you can have good game (e.g. Max Payne AFAIK) without MP, because the design and the rules force you to have SP only. It's a design decision, simply tell it to your custumers ASAP.

Sometimes they tell to us info (e.g. some Wonders showing on the main map, as a cool Great Wall). Then, as if nothing relevant, happened, they discarded the whole thing.

Ok, it's part of the development process to trim some fat. I have some personal doubt they cut also some vital organ in the process

Am I insulting Firaxis?

They are promising to us the greatest game of genre. Are they just kidding with us?

Let's pass a couple of month, then we will see the truth.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by ColdWizard
1. people post how great civ 3 will be
2. people post about things they don't like
3. optimists bash pessimists
4. pessimists bash optimists
5. goto #3

LOL

[ColdWizard]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=29041

(look at the last line in the first post, especially)

i see yin criticizing firaxis' PR, and proposing a possible means of getting firaxis to respond to the MP issue. the last line indicates his opinion of how poor firaxis PR has been to that point (much more strongly worded).

Fire with fire, acid with acid. He has his agenda, I have mine.

And I may have started, but you claim that Yin hasn't done it back? The ultimate in hubris!

ah, the old eye for an eye bit (which leaves everyone with one eye). having reviewed only the first 3 pages (i lack the intestinal fortitude to read that entire thread over again), i see yin needlessly insult a few posters, of which you aren't one. but how does this warrant attacks on him? to get him to "change"? seems an odd way to go about it...

Btw, were you on the OWO boards? Then you probably wouldn't understand the history.

no, that was before my time. did he insult your mother or something?

[MarkG]

peace to all nations
and all civers