ASPK II - call for players

knowhow2 · October 27, 2001, 21:18

Hey there everyone! This is a new PBEM with the name ASPK II, named after a small incident at the original ASPK. We became too many players there so to make things less akward I decided to start up another PBEM. Simply calling it ASPK II. Tau Ceti is the moderator at ASPK so maybe he can be the moderator for this one too?

FOUR-players
SMAC
large map with average everything else
standard settings
tournement rules

Players:
myself, knowhow2- Morgans
Black Sunrise?
?
?

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Black Sunrise · October 27, 2001, 21:27

I'm in.
Thanks for having me.
Only one request: Could we play with erosion on high? It makes for a more broken up map, which imho makes it more interesting.

I'll take any faction.
Oh, one more request:
A moderator, to hold passwords, in case someone drops out, and 24 hours to play after getting your move. If someone is going to be gone more than 24 hours, tell us and the mod so he can cover for you. I hate games that trickle out.
Indra
Black Sunrise

knowhow2 · October 27, 2001, 21:37

Moderator YES. I'm gonna wait till we are enough players (four?) till I ask someone (Tau maybe?) to moderate for us.

High erosion is fine by me.

Large Map. Average fungus. Average rainfall. High Erosion.

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Black Sunrise, sorry about the other ASPK. I actually had nightmares about those replaced players coming back. But my solution then was the same. Start up another PBEM calling it ASPK II.

We need two more players!

Ironwood · October 27, 2001, 23:16

I want to play! I want to play! Since the Morgans are taken, may I have the Spartans?

What exactly is meant by tournament rules?

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 03:45

You can find the tournement rules here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...ournament+rules

Ironwood · October 28, 2001, 03:58

Apparently no, I can't. The link doesn't work.

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 04:03

Sorry about that, maybe this one will work better.

http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum27/HTML/000245.html

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 04:16

Okey so far myself (morgans), Black Sunrise (any), Ironwood (Spartans). I suggest we wait till tomorrow. If we don't get another player lets make this a three-way PBEM (3-players).

I know both of you like it with RP-style so lets make it more RP than regular.

Black Sunrise · October 28, 2001, 07:42

Quote:

Apparently no, I can't. The link doesn't work.

hahahahha
That was pretty funny!

Indra
Black Sunrise

Lord_Icewind · October 28, 2001, 08:25

Well, i wanna play, as gaians if a can. I would like blind research to be off. Please, lets start as soon as possible. By the way, can native life forms be abundant?

arborman · October 28, 2001, 11:45

I'm in, if I can. I'll play any faction. nickist@home.com

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 11:47

Okey Lord _Icewind will be the fourth player being the Gaians. But even though really I don't mind having abundant native lifes I have to say that it does give the Gaians more benefit than others so for the fairness of it, better stick with average.

ASPK II is on!
Just need to find a modertor.

4-player
Large Map, high erosion, average native, average rainfall
Tournament Rules for "other maps"
Blind Research Off (directed)
Do or Die: eliminated players are not restarted
Spoils of War off
Non-Blind (directed) research
No random events
All victory conditions allowed including cooperative
Unity survey off - map is unknown
Look first on

Players:
knowhow2 (morgans) lawalan@hotmail.com
Black Sunrise (peacekeepers) indra@blacksunrise.com
Ironwood (spartans) ghoti@pacbell.net
Lord_Icewind (Gaians) ?

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Lord_Icewind need your email.

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 11:55

aborman, you can play instead of me. I'm in to many PBEM already so if you take my place I can moderate instead. Okey then. aborman, which faction do yoou wanna play with?

arborman · October 28, 2001, 12:52

I'd love to play, I don't care which faction. I'm having email problems, so if I'm in use nickistca@yahoo.com, since my usual one is down for some reason.

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 12:59

Okey then. Arborman plays the Morgan as I was originally planned to do.

Players
Arborman (morgans)
Black Sunrise (peacekeepers)
Ironwood (spartans)
Lord_Icewind (gaians)

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I'm gonna start making they map. I sent the first turn to arborman and all your passwords to you as soon as I'm done.

Lord_Icewind, still needs your email. you can email it to me if you don't want it to be public. lawalan@hotmail.com

Ironwood · October 28, 2001, 17:24

Hmm... I'm not sure I like all the tournament rules. I'll give it a shot, though. I like the fact that different factions start with different techs, and generally find that the factions are fairly well balanced out of the box. But I'll give it a shot.

I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind certain of the tournament rules. For example:

- Inserting Stockpile Energy into a build queue after a military unit

Is there a bug associated with this? If so, I've never found it, primarily because I rarely stockpile energy. So what's the difference between stockpiling energy after the last structure in a build queue, just canceling a queue to stockpile energy instead, and having stockpile energy be the last thing in a queue after a military unit (or even putting it in the middle, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me).

- If probe... must declare vendetta.

Why? If two factions want to clandestinely exchange techs, they can do so by the usual means; I fail to see where ignoring probe actions can unfairly benefit the ignorer (though I can easily see how it might benefit the prober, though that's the problem of the probed, IMHO).

- Social engineering... (no flip flop within turn). Oh, I think I get it. One could have, for example, FM on while the turn executes (thus collecting one's money), switch to, say, Planned, use the lesser cost to rushbuild something, then switch back (which would probably only cost the usual 32, less than that gained by being in FM). I can see why this would annoy some people. I can hardly believe I never thought of it before. Then again, I'm more of a roleplayer, less of a min/maxer.

- No base trading with the AI.

I think I see what this is aimed at preventing (people who get a submissive, then to prevent their extermination (and thus, their loss of a free vote in the council), give them a base in the middle of their territory (where they can't be touched unless someone first conquers the player). Personally, I don't see this as especially exploitive, or unhistorical (the United States has done the same with several groups that were displaced by a rebelling power, such as the Cuban exiles, and the British hosted a government-in-exile of France during World War II). In a game with few players, the computer players go from being a roadblock to being a sort of prized posession. I think I like that effect, though I haven't played much PBEM, so I wouldn't know how this plays out in an actual game. If you ask me, it looks kind of like the juvinile condemnation of the "Jumpkick-throw" manuver in Street Fighter 2 during the early nineties.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to starting!

Black Sunrise · October 28, 2001, 17:52

- If probe... must declare vendetta.

Why? If two factions want to clandestinely exchange techs, they can do so by the usual means; I fail to see where ignoring probe actions can unfairly benefit the ignorer (though I can easily see how it might benefit the prober, though that's the problem of the probed, IMHO).

The guy doing the probe gets the "declare vendetta?" message, so I could probe you, select no. Probe you, select no. Probe you, select no. All day long, and you'd never find out. So they set it to where if you are caught, you must have a vendetta, so the other guy knows.
Indra
PS the stockpile energy thing is a bug, too. I'd say it's ok to stockpile energy whenever you want, as long as you aren't trying to manipulate the bug.

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 18:30

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Originally posted by Ironwood
- Inserting Stockpile Energy into a build queue after a military unit

A bug that will give the user an extra amount of cash that queue users won't get. Same effect for base facilities but the stockpile is not necessary. Manipulating means knowingly putting stockpile after units.

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- If probe... must declare vendetta.

Black Sunrise gave an excellent explanation.

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No base trading with the AI.

AI is stupid. It will give you a 12-size base for a 1-size base. Therefor unfair to other human players.

knowhow2 · October 28, 2001, 18:32

I still don't have the Lord_Icewind's email. He is first in the playing order so he gets the turn first. The other three of you should have received your passwords.

knowhow2 · December 6, 2001, 09:31

ASPK II needs a replacement for Bella Hella. Any takers?

Darsnan · December 6, 2001, 10:19

well, the Grim Reaper of the Telecom world has just claimed me, so I've got plenty of time on my hands. If you want me, I'd love to join. What faction, and anything else I should be made aware of?

knowhow2 · December 6, 2001, 20:20

Darsnan,

okey i'm gonna need you email so that I can send you the turn and the password. You can find the details at "ASPK II - turn tracking thread".

Darsnan · December 6, 2001, 21:14

Hi knowhow2,
ok, the gaians are now on their way. Could be interesting....

Darsnan · December 6, 2001, 21:14

Hi knowhow2,
ok, the gaians are now on their way. Could be interesting....

my E-Mail address: dnandal@twcny.rr.com