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Old November 2, 2001, 06:12   #1
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Fire and Roses: Civilizations
I've come to a couple of problems when selecting the civs for FAR (The 'official' title for my upcoming scenario).
The scenario deals with the middle east (Iran, Afghanistan, southern Central Asia and to a certain extent, India and Iraq) during the later dark ages (ca. 800/900-1100/1200, not entirely sure about that yet). Let me tell you this will be of certain interest at the present state of the world.
There were a couple of major empires/states in that area at that time:[*] The Samanids were the keepers of Persian culture, their empire controlled large parts of Central Asia, including Bokhara and Samarqand.[*] The Abbasid Caliphate was but a shadow to the Iranians[*] The Ghaznavids were an up and coming power of turkish descendance and later built an empire extending from Iraq to Delhi.
Then, there were a couple of minor states in Iran itself:[*] Fars, ruled by the Bujids; they later brought an end to the Abbasids by conquering their capital Baghdad.[*] The Ghurids in today's Afghanistan, keepers of the oriental culture[*] Kerman

I might have Kerman replaced, but by whom? I will include a Hindu civilization, and then I'm asking myself wether or not to include the Seldjuk Turks. Perhaps I should, but I don't know wether I should extend the scale then (I don't want to). What I don't want to include for certain is anything Christian. That would have to be too detailed, and there are several excellent scenarios about that out there.
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Old November 2, 2001, 15:21   #2
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it sounds really interesting, the sassanids are a really misterious empire for me, I´ve seen them a lot of times in maps but i never read anything for them,

this should be an interesting scenario
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Old November 2, 2001, 16:06   #3
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Sorry, this is 200 years after the fall of the Sasanid empire
But you ought to check your mail...
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Old November 3, 2001, 14:07   #4
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Nope for Hindus... put in Seldjuk and Qarakhainds. After all, the fight for Iran control was between Seldjuks, Ghaznavids ad qarakhanids, with Samanids in the middle. MHO.
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Old November 3, 2001, 20:09   #5
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I'd really want to include the Hindus. I don't want them to be Barbarian...
The scenario really isn't that much about northern Iran... it'll take a big spot, but I'd really like to focus on the southern and western parts as well... I might have a solution, though.
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Re: Fire and Roses: Civilizations
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[*] The Samanids
okay, samanids, not sassanids, I have to learn to read
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Samanids, huh?

The central asian cavalry... from a long time lost Dandanaqan scenario.
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Looks good... here are a couple of assorted units from the first draft:
(This is rawhide, which means there is no guarantee they will really be used)
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Looks good yours, too. Lemme see if i can find out some maps or something else...

PS any idea about bujids Dailam infantry?
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I have always heard of the daylami of being more of a Ghaznavid unit... I made it available to all players nonetheless (except for the Hindus).
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daylami of being more of a Ghaznavid unit...
Daylami? as Ghaznavid unit? Ghulami cavalry was one of their strongholds, for all i knew about it.

Dailam infantry was recruited by Buyids in Northern Iran sciites muslims to serve as skilled infantry. Are you sure they are the same unit? If so...

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