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Expansion Pack: City Lists and Leaders for Existing Civs (part 1: Romans, Greeks))
Hi everybody! As I think we agreed upon changing city names and leaders for existing civs, I decided to post lists I've already made. Additions and critique very welcome. 
Here are the first 3 civs:
Romans
Cities:
Roma
Alba Longa
Veii
Tusculum
Antium
Vulci
Tarquinii
Volsinium
Cumae
Neapolis
Pompeii
Praeneste
Ostia
Brundisium
Beneventum
Ravenna
Pisae
Mediolanum
Hispalis
Capua
Narbo
Viroconium
Lutetia
Constantinopolis
Bononia
Caesaraugusta
Gades
Lugdunum
Hierosolyma
Cremona
Caesarea
Nicomedia
Seleucia
Artaxata
Aurelianorum
Hippo Regius
Nicopolis
Placentia
Eburacum
Naissus
Carnuntum
Tarraco
Arretium
Emona
Gordion
Colonia Agrippinensis
Brigantium
Cyrene
Aquincum
Verona
Hadrianopolis
Corfinium
Augusta Treverorum
Sirmium
Camulodunum
Teurnia
Durostorum
Damascus
Arelate
Poetovio
Virunum
Augustadorum
Vindobona
Pola
Trapezus
Iuvavum
Bagacum
Lauriacum
Utica
Ovilava
Curia
Olisipo
Flavia Solva
Leaders:
Scipio Africanus
Marius
Sulla
Pompeius Magnus
Octavianus
Marcus Antonius
Germanicus
Agrippa
Tiberius
Claudius
Vespasian
Titus
Traian
Hadrian
Marcus Aurelius
Septimius Severus
Aurelian
Diocletian
Constantin I
Theodosius I
Iustinian
Greeks:
Cities:
Athinai
Sparta
Korinthos
Argos
Eretria
Thebai
Mykene
Miletos
Syrakos
Chalkis
Megara
Pylos
Kerkyra
Delphi
Knossos
Phaistos
Aigina
Chios
Akragas
Pharsalos
Kroton
Samos
Zankle
Pella
Mytilene
Mallia
Mantineia
Naxos
Rhegion
Olympia
Lindos
Sikyon
Aigai
Ambrakia
Orchomenos
Methone
Taras
Larisa
Epidauros
Thasos
Torone
Pherai
Sybaris
Gortyn
Poteidaia
Plataiai
Methone
Kameiros
Amphipolis
Neapolis
Massalia
Krannon
Leukas
Olynthos
Pydna
Knidos
Lokroi
Phokaia
Kyme
Sestos
Pithekusai
Metapontion
Selinus
Naupaktos
Chaironeia
Melos
Istros
Tegea
Gela
Thurioi
Abdera
Ephesos
Megalopolis
Himera
Salamis
Kyzikos
Halikarnassos
Thessaloniki
Herakleia
Zacynthos
Kolophon
Abydos
Troizen
Patrai
Methone
Olbia
Dekeleia
Artemision
Naukratis
Apollonia
Eleusis
Thermopylai
Marathon
Apolyton
Leaders:
Perikles
Solon
Themistokles
Periander
Miltiades
Polykrates
Alkibiades
Epameinondas
Philipp
Kimon
Kleisthenes
Lysander
Kountouriotis
Dionysios
Kolokotronis
Antipater
Lykourgos
Basileios Bulgaroktonos
Ptolemaios
Timoleon
Pausanias
Seleukos
Leonidas
Ioannis Tzimiskis
Peisistratos
Antigonos
Hieron
Nikephoros Phokas
Drakon
Venizelos
Karaiskakis
Gelon
Pyrrhos
That will do it for now. 
Please post your ideas.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 4, 2002, 16:10
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*bump*
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 4, 2002, 16:57
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Is there a limit to the # of city and leader names?
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August 4, 2002, 17:59
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More leaders for Romans:
Valentinian I,
Stilicho,
Aetius,
Belisarius,
Narses,
Heraclius. (Should be the last Roman before they came Greek).
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August 4, 2002, 18:38
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Right Lord Merciless. I'll add them though no one ever will have so many leaders
Ribannah: At least the system doesn't crash with so many cities, I've tried that out.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 4, 2002, 18:46
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I'm not so sure. In my current Persian game, I have already 10 leaders by 1200AD.
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August 5, 2002, 17:54
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Shouldn't it be
Rome = Roma
Pisa = Pisae
to make it more roman?
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August 5, 2002, 17:57
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and Athens = Athinaï or whatever it is called in grece, since you are calling Munich = München and so on..
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August 5, 2002, 18:01
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My point is:
you should make up your mind and call all the cities by their english name or call all the cities their original homeland name. I vote for the original name...
Btw: good work on this mod 
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August 5, 2002, 18:06
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Pisa was a typo actually, it's been changed in the BIC.
I had all of my lists done with the "original" names, but others convinced me to keep the English style which Firaxis used, at least for the most important cities.
I guess I'll open a poll on this.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 6, 2002, 18:25
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I've updated the lists.
They now should have the native names.
Please check it, I could have overlooked a few things
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 11, 2002, 15:45
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Does Londinium = London? Two cities for one.
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August 11, 2002, 15:46
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Pisae is still typed Pisa.
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August 11, 2002, 15:47
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Roman leaders:
Maximus (that guy in gladiator)
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August 11, 2002, 17:18
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Hagbart: Thanks for your comments. Pisae has been changed in the BIC file and on my homepage. Sometimes I forget to update one or two things here. Thanks.
You're right, Londinium should be out. (Done, in the BIC file  )
Maximus? No way I will bow down before Hollywood. Maximus would make a ridiculous Roman leader. The Shmollywood story has as much to do with history as the dirt between my toes (after all it's the dirt of a historian ).
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 12, 2002, 12:24
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OK no Maximus then. Do you know any other real generals?
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August 12, 2002, 13:33
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You think 21 leaders isn't enough? I could probably name 3 times more leadersout of stand if necessary, but I doubt that we need more.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 21, 2002, 10:30
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BTW I think italian cities should be before european ones, as they were founded before. So Bononia, Brundisium, etc. then Massilia, Narbo, Lutetia (france), then Valentia, Tarraco, Hispalis.. (spain) hmm ok I'm stressing too much about it  (my own list is made up of more than 80 cities although my germans exterminate the romans after the first 10 cities they dare to found )
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I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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August 29, 2002, 11:13
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Some Other Greek Heroes.
Well, Zorbas is just folklore not a hero by any means.
Even if I do disagree that Herakleios is Roman, well, it would seem that Constantinoupolis should be removed from the Roman Cities or be used with the intended name of Nova Roma (That was the name it was founded on)
Some Greek Heroes and what they did
Kountouriotis (the reason why you see Greek Colours on the islands all over the Aegean). Leader of Greek Navy during the 1912-1913 Balkan wars, in which Modern Greece owes some 57% of its estate to.
Velissarios is the name for both a Great General of Justinian and also the Greatest General of the Balkan wars. (He liberated my hometown, Ioannina in !913). Lost his son in that war, and he too died a Hero's death in battle.
Venizelos, a statesman whose uniting prowess made the above wars and victories a reality.
Kolokotronis, and Karaiskakis are the most renowned heroes of the Greek Revolution of 1821, without which, we would be something like the Incas today.
Greatest Byzantine Emperors are:
Basileios, Nikeforos Fokas, Ioannis Tzimiskis, Romanos and of course the Last one
Konstantinos Palaiologos. The last defender. -1453
(I would pick 4 or 5 by any age, Ancient, Byzantine and Modern [Post 1821 Revolution onwards...] 
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September 2, 2002, 01:50
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I think that Towns like Alba Longa, Tusculum, Ostia, Praeneste, Privernium... which are Latin towns, should be among the earliest towns founded by the Romans.
Volci, Volsinium, Tarquinii, Bovianium, Saepinum, and Aesernia are cities of the Samnites and Estructans which became Roman towns rather early in its history.
Also the town Beneventum is missing.
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September 2, 2002, 12:24
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You're absolutely right. I've made some changes to the list and will have a look how to improve it further. I once had a list with more Italian towns, but I've lost it somewhere and thought it was too much effort to make another one so detailed.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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September 2, 2002, 14:16
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I could post my own list if you care
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I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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September 2, 2002, 16:54
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Post it, I'll crosscheck it with mine then.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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September 3, 2002, 03:13
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Werna, remove Zorbas, it's just a folklor charachter, not a hero but any means (it's like putting Ernest as a hero for the Americans, ferchristsake ) - darn Kazantzakis made this freak world-famous 
Other than that, I am impressed by your lists.
Great job all around, when will the extrapack be available for download?
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September 3, 2002, 09:41
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Here's my list- note that there aren't greek cities because.. you know, too confusing having 2 athens, spartas and so on
Roma
Ostia
Veii
Antium
Capua
Cumae
Neapolis
Pompeii
Brundisium
Tarentum
Syracusae
Panormus
Pisae
Florentia
Bononia
Ravenna
Ariminum
Placentia
Mediolanum
Augusta Taurinorum
Genua
Nicaea
Massilia
Narbo Martius
Tolosa
Burdigala
Lugdunum
Augustodunum
Lutetia
Argentoratum
Mogontiacum
Colonia Agrippina
Tarraco
Valentia
Hispalis
Carthago
Hippo Regius
Tingis
Caesarea
Cyrene
Londinium
Glevium
Lindum
Eburacum
Deva
Berytus
Damascus
Bostra
Palmyra
Ierusalem
Pergamun
Artaxata
Sarmizegetusa
Tomis
Napoca
Bysantium
Nicopolis
Sinope
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I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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September 3, 2002, 12:09
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Oops, I've actually already removed Zorbas, I'll update the first post.
Thanks for your nice words and I really hope it will be by end of September.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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September 4, 2002, 01:37
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Here is a list of Roman, Latin, and Italian cities of the Romans. I tried to put them in order of when Rome would have controlled or founded them...
Rome
Alba Longa, Latin.
Praeneste, Latin
Lanuvium, Latin
Privernium, Latin
Tusculum, Latin
Veii, Estruscan
Laurentum, Latin
Falerii, Estruscan.
Tarquinii, Estruscan.
Volsinii (or Volsinium), Estruscan
Signia, Latin
Venafrum, Latin
Vetulonii, Estruscan
Volaterae, Estruscan
Hadria, Italian
Aquinum, Latin
Iguvium, Ita
Asculum, Roman
Beneventum, Roman
Bovianum, Samnite
Allifa, Samnite
Aesernia, Samnite
Larinum, Ita.
Venusia, Ita.
Sipontum, Ita.
Potenia, Ita.
Canusium, Ita.
Patavium, Ita
Ticinium
Pollentia
Brixia
Alba Pompeia
Genua
Placentia
Some are more important than others, but this is a list of some of the more important towns of Italia during the Roman era.
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