Another Age of War PBEM - Page 32

Dr. Nick · November 27, 2002, 21:10

Could I ask for a few things?

JamesJKirk · November 27, 2002, 21:30

EL: No one's stopping you, we agreed to allow you input on this, it's just that we have veto power at this point, but so long as it's reasonable, I wouldn't arbitrarily say no to something.

winterfritz · November 27, 2002, 22:28

The whole point of the Rhine frontier is that it works because river squares give an added defense bonus. So Anzac, I'm not going to move my forts off the river tiles.

As said before, France is standing firm by the proposed frontier at this point. We will of course be more than happy to consider amendments, should there be evidence after the restoration that the defense network hinders the operation of Germany as an independent nation. Should any alterations to the frontier then be necessary, they will be discussed by Germany and France, and at that later date. Theres no point discussing it further now, when there is no evidence that it is a bad thing at all.

El: like Kirk said, you should feel free to ask for anything you like... we can only attack and argue over proposals that are actually out in the open

But if your requests are reasonable, France doesn't see why they shouldn't be fulfilled, thus promoting goodwill between Germany and the Allies.

JamesJKirk · November 27, 2002, 23:00

So what's going on with setting everything up at this point, is fritz supposed to play his turn, or are we waiting for something?

winterfritz · November 27, 2002, 23:07

Case needs to play his turn first. Then I'll play mine, and then I'll set up Germany and post the save, allowing El to play his first turn.

Dr. Nick · November 27, 2002, 23:23

Well, perhaps Germany can be given full fortifications and such to prevent another quick cluster****, as well as a formidable number of defensive units.

Regarding the Rhine, I'd like no more than one fortress every three squares and exclusive economic use of all the squares on the Rhine. Those with French fortresses can be compensated by using squares falling officially under French jurisdiction to be made usable to Germany.

winterfritz · November 27, 2002, 23:52

El: you don't need to worry about Germany's safety. I know I'm not going to the trouble of bringing Germany back just to see it get gobbled up all over again.

About the Rhine: if its the frontier, then we should get half of the river squares each, as well as exclusive rights to the squares on our respective sides of the river. Your scheme would see Germany owning close to the entire river in addition to squares on the French side, and is both unfair and unacceptable to France.

Also, AFAIK the forts are distributed about 2-3 squares away from each other along the river, so the spacing should be roughly within your request.

Dr. Nick · November 28, 2002, 00:24

Well, France is still keeping areas with lots of German nationals, it's only fair that Germany gets to exploit the river.

The ANZAC · November 28, 2002, 10:20

How about the Russian proposal of having forts on either side of the Rhine, but have the Rhine as a demilitarized zone?

Case · November 28, 2002, 18:05

The Italian government is willing to establish a mandate over the Rhine cities in order to create a DMZ between France and Germany

Dr. Nick · November 28, 2002, 19:38

Fortresses on either side of the Rhine are fine by me.

winterfritz · November 28, 2002, 19:46

France will not move her forts off the Rhine, where they will lose their river square defensive bonuses. There will be no DMZ. As stated previously, France will review the fortification system once there is actual evidence that it hinders the very existence of Germany as a viable nation state, but only then.

As for the German nationals... its an established precedent in this thread (see somewhere in the 50 odd pages

) that minorities within democratic governments (such as France) are more than adequately represented and not persecuted in any way. The ethnic Germans on the French side of the Rhine are very happy (latest poll: 91% very happy, 6% happy, 3% undecided) and couldn't give a damn whether they are administered from Paris or Berlin. Germany thus needs no 'compensation' for having lost German cities to France, Britain, Italy and Russia (meaning the cities which are not going to be given back in the restoration). So France stands by her earlier proposal, that France and Germany each get half of the Rhine squares and exclusive administration of the tiles on their respective sides of the river.

The ANZAC · November 28, 2002, 21:51

Russia stands by the DMZ proposal. Any movement of combat units into that zone would result in war. It would serve as a buffer and would not block development.

Also France should give back the rights to the squares as control of those squares come and go with the cities. Also we are trying to reconcile, not incite here

Herr Awrence: when this game gets up to speed, where should we contact you at? An email might help.

Dr. Nick · November 28, 2002, 21:56

*points to sig*

The ANZAC · December 3, 2002, 23:37

So.............................Case

Case · December 4, 2002, 05:46

Sorry, for some dumb reason I was waiting for Fritz to restore Germany before playing my turn. In fact, I was about to bump him!

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The Italian people grow more productive, with factories and dockyards opening across the nation.

winterfritz · December 4, 2002, 23:25

Ok, I have played my turn and returned Rostock, Magdeburg, Erfurt, Berlin, Dresden and Leipzig to Germany using CivTweak and CivCity.

One snag. I did all this by simply changing the file extension from .net to .sav, so that the utilities would recognise the file. But the .sav file still remembers the passwords, so I can't turn on cheat mode and get rid of the English/Russian conscripts still in the cities, or gift Germany techs, or destroy all France's enemies using ctrl-shift-D

Should we just give the techs to Germany the usual way during our turns? And have Britain and Russia hand over their conscripts too? And in that case, how will we give Germany her unique tech?

The ANZAC · December 4, 2002, 23:30

I am pretty sure I removed all my conscripts and left only the German-style ones there.

I guess if the passwords need to go, we should do that then. And yes, they should have the same techs as before they were anihilated

These Christmas smilies are great: I forgot about them

winterfritz · December 4, 2002, 23:34

The conscripts are the German style; its just that you still own them, rather than Germany

The ANZAC · December 4, 2002, 23:35

Well, when the cities are handed over, they'll get them back.

Choke · December 5, 2002, 00:35

You can turn on cheat mode when there are passwords, it's really, really simple. You should be able to do those changes without any external programs.

The ANZAC · December 5, 2002, 19:13

Yeah, I think he knows that, but was just asking permission first.

winterfritz · December 5, 2002, 20:18

Quote:

Originally posted by The ANZAC
Yeah, I think he knows that, but was just asking permission first.

Actually, I don't

So unless someone would care to enlighten me with the forbidden knowledge (like Prometheus

) I guess I'll just post the save and let someone else add techs etc.

winterfritz · December 5, 2002, 20:38

Oops, forgot the file.

Darius871 · December 5, 2002, 20:54

Yeah Choke figured it out a few days ago, all it takes is a little intuition, no programs.

What do you need done to it? I only need the French password and I can do it if you want.

As far as I can read:

1) As Germany, capture the indicated cities and cheat-build any improvements destroyed by their being captured.

2) Create an alliance between each nation and Germany.

3) Give the techless new Germany all the techs it had before being destroyed, plus a few more.*

* - What are the extra techs you guys think they should have?

Edits: added tasks as I read through the thread.

The ANZAC · December 5, 2002, 21:08

Sure, that sounds fine, but we can just hand over the ciites diplomatically and that should work fine.

Also, no extra techs yet for Germany. Just the ones it had before

Darius871 · December 5, 2002, 21:25

Quote:

Originally posted by The ANZAC
Sure, that sounds fine, but we can just hand over the ciites diplomatically and that should work fine.

Fine either way, but if I just capture them and replace the destroyed improvements/units, you don't have to arrange meeting times.

JamesJKirk · December 5, 2002, 21:30

Doesn't trading online destroy happines improvements anyway?

Darius871 · December 5, 2002, 21:32

Nope, that's the advantage of doing it that way.

JamesJKirk · December 5, 2002, 21:35

oh, well then I really don't care, if just taking them over and putting everything back's easier, then by all means do that though