Thread Tools
Old January 16, 2002, 14:05   #1
kcbob
King
 
kcbob's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Kansas City, MO USA
Posts: 1,460
Free money!
I haven't been on the forums much lately (too busy playing??) so if this has been suggested, please forgive me.

I've pretty much gotten the handle on trade and negotiating and I've recently started following a simple practice that I believe merits consideration by others.

When another civ asks for a trade (or any contact for that matter), if there doesn't seem to be any real good deal for both parties, e.g. I get Monarch, they get spice, then before I say goodbye, I propose one last deal... every time.

I ask them... "How much will you give me for my World Map?" I have yet to see the AI NOT offer some quantity of gold. Granted, it's usually a small amount in the 1 to 5 gold range, but it almost ALWAYS offers something.

If you're playing vs. a lot of opponents and there is a lot of interaction, this will add up after a while, perhaps totalling hundreds of gold over the course of a game. Why not take it?

And before you say giving up my map for a pittance is not worth it, this even seems to be a valid strategy late in the game when everybody knows every detail about the map. Again... why not take it?

What d'ya think?
__________________
Frodo lives!
kcbob is offline  
Old January 16, 2002, 19:38   #2
Red-bled
Settler
 
Local Time: 13:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 1
Nice idea. Also noticed you can usually get money when another civ wants to trade maps of any kind. Likely known by most, but just discovered it recently. Discover something new all the time. I may actually get to the next level after all.
Red-bled is offline  
Old January 17, 2002, 05:51   #3
Dry
Prince
 
Dry's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Brussels
Posts: 854
I stopped doing that when I noticed that the AI used it to spot the good sites for cities.
The less the AI knows about the world, the best for me... at least, as long as I am still expanding.
I now sells my territory map instead of the world map.
__________________
The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.
Dry is offline  
Old January 17, 2002, 10:57   #4
Marquis de Sodaq
King
 
Marquis de Sodaq's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: ... no, a Marquis.
Posts: 2,179
I, too, sell my map to everybody. The AI will cough up a good amount of gold. Yes, the AI uses it to find good city sites - but if I have known about that spot and haven't gone there myself, the AI will likely beat me there anyway, with or without my map. I say take the gold.
__________________
The first President of the first Apolyton Democracy Game (CivII, that is)

The gift of speech is given to many,
intelligence to few.
Marquis de Sodaq is offline  
Old January 17, 2002, 12:06   #5
dadacp
Settler
 
Local Time: 19:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: D-55129 Mainz, Germany
Posts: 28
The AI will usually give 1 gold to exchange territory maps, even if there's no new area. They're paying 1 gold to update their map. I suppose you could go to each civ every turn to get 1 gold from them. Just for the money it's probably too much work. But if you want to them to be happy with you, I think the steady deals would improve their attitude.
__________________
dadacp@gmx.net
dadacp is offline  
Old January 17, 2002, 12:20   #6
SanPellegrino
Civilization III PBEM
Warlord
 
SanPellegrino's Avatar
 
Local Time: 19:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 168
You can also make a few extra bucks if you renogitiate peace every 20 turns, especially from smaller civs.
__________________
"Where I come from, we don't fraternize with the enemy - how about yourself?"
Civ2 Military Advisor
SanPellegrino is offline  
Old January 18, 2002, 20:42   #7
Thrawn05
King
 
Local Time: 14:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Constantly giggling as I type my posts.
Posts: 1,735
Quote:
Originally posted by Dry
I stopped doing that when I noticed that the AI used it to spot the good sites for cities.
The less the AI knows about the world, the best for me... at least, as long as I am still expanding.
I now sells my territory map instead of the world map.
I stop giving away any of my maps to anyone. Most of time, if I trade territory maps, the AI attacks one of my most important citys (usually, the ones that help connect my empire).

I always BUY my maps for a few coins of gold.
__________________
I drink to one other, and may that other be he, to drink to another, and may that other be me!
Thrawn05 is offline  
Old January 20, 2002, 13:58   #8
SlowwHand
inmate
Civilization II MultiplayerApolytoners Hall of FameGameLeague
Deity
 
SlowwHand's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 27,637
Right. I'm going to give my maps for 1-5 gold.
When is this going to become MP ?
__________________
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
SlowwHand is offline  
Old January 20, 2002, 14:16   #9
vmxa1
PtWDG Gathering StormC4DG Gathering Storm
Deity
 
vmxa1's Avatar
 
Local Time: 15:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Oviedo, Fl
Posts: 14,103
I give the world map away later in the game. Say a civ ask for something I do not want to give (tech or terr map), I offer world map or give world map. It is of no real value anyway and I do not want and hassle at the time for what ever reason, may be at war already or just recovering. This gets rid of the deal with no fuss.
vmxa1 is offline  
Old January 21, 2002, 17:29   #10
The Eliminator
Warlord
 
Local Time: 13:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Eliminatorville
Posts: 122
I never sell or trade away any of my maps. I buy the AI maps. If you let them have any of your maps, within 2 or 3 turns galleys loaded with settlers/spearmen will occupy any open spot in your territory.
The Eliminator is offline  
Old January 22, 2002, 09:24   #11
kcbob
King
 
kcbob's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:26
Local Date: October 31, 2010
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Kansas City, MO USA
Posts: 1,460
Try it late in the game. There are no spots available for building cities and yet the AI will still buy maps from you.

I've also noticed something else. When the AI offers me a trade, e.g., their world map, Free Artistry, and 50 gold for my incense, Education, and 3 gold per turn, counter-offer them the incense alone and you'll probably get just as much from them anyway.
__________________
Frodo lives!
kcbob is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 15:26.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team