Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2 - Page 12

Lonestar · February 16, 2002, 23:09

History Guy-

Morgan Intersteller's security units are clearing house? Damn! Some of those guys were our (unkowningly) agents!

GeneralTacticus · February 17, 2002, 00:03

Spayber:

Yeah, we've only been seperate from Sparta for 7 years, but the Cadre itself has been around a lot longer. It's been a lot harder to organise things of course, but we have been around long enough to set up a kind of government.
As for my message to the Hive, I would be very surprised if you either found out by espionage or if Yang told you that you would believe it. Anyway...
I know we wouldn't be strong enough to survive if the Spartans did attack, but the idea really is just to make sure it isn't worth it attacking.

Frankychan · February 17, 2002, 00:43

Good post History Guy-->score another point for you on attacking Yang. dang!

Anyway,

Thanx Kass for putting up your link. I think the first page I'll have up besides the homepage is the Diplomacy page. If I do not put your faction on it, don't be offended. I'm either not sure of our relation or have no data on you.

It seems like 'Uniting Humanity' seems to be on the minds of a lot of faction leaders. I think Kessel and his Spartans as well as Yang and the Hive are the only ones not wanting any part of this.

Yang just wants a very large part of the galaxy to call his own...is that so much to ask?

Sprayber · February 17, 2002, 01:00

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Originally posted by frankychan
It seems like 'Uniting Humanity' seems to be on the minds of a lot of faction leaders. I think Kessel and his Spartans as well as Yang and the Hive are the only ones not wanting any part of this.

Yang just wants a very large part of the galaxy to call his own...is that so much to ask?

It is amusing that the two factions that hate each other the most, have a lot in common.

Here is Sparta's page

http://www.geocities.com/kessel74/Sp...?1009423339630

Here is the Main page

http://www.geocities.com/beyondalphacentauri/

Sprayber · February 17, 2002, 01:10

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Spayber:

Yeah, we've only been seperate from Sparta for 7 years, but the Cadre itself has been around a lot longer. It's been a lot harder to organise things of course, but we have been around long enough to set up a kind of government.
As for my message to the Hive, I would be very surprised if you either found out by espionage or if Yang told you that you would believe it. Anyway...
I know we wouldn't be strong enough to survive if the Spartans did attack, but the idea really is just to make sure it isn't worth it attacking.

You may find the proposal that Kessel will offer most generous and amical. This will of course depend on what we find out about your other dealings.

And don't underestimate the parinoia of the Spartans when it comes to something as sensitive as a break away group. You have to know that the Spartans will absolutly not tolerate any attempts by the Hive to get so close to Sparta. And that means being very very interested in your group. Being former Spartans, you all should know that very well.

Im not saying Sparta will know everthing. But any transmissions from your system will be monitered intensly by Spartan intellegence. They may not always know what you are saying, but they will know you are saying something. The Morgans and Drones will share, and we will be left wondering where the others are being sent to. As long as the break aways stay to themselves or at least away from the Hive, Kessel will be content to leave them be.

Frankychan · February 17, 2002, 03:46

Ok,

The homepage for the G.H.E. is up. Forgive me, but it's not complete yet. I'm still working on the links and trying to put more graphics in. Just try checking back once in a while to see what else is new...but I'll also notify ppl when I've put something new on.

So...here it is:GHE homepage

If you have any problems, let me know so I can change 'em. The Diplomacy page is our p.o.v. toward other governments. I'm trying to make it sound "diplomatic".

Cybergod · February 17, 2002, 06:00

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Originally posted by Mellian
Knew i forgot to say something... TAF will not expect much of Titan as they barely have any military... the only thing the TAF may bother the Titans is concerning Biotechnology... which if Titan cooperated and get into close relation with the TAF, which would make sense as the TAF will be the ones keeping EC from harassing Titan, which may result to more access to Biometal, if the TAF trusts Titan enough to allow Titanian biotech specialists to study Biometal.

Anyway, if TAF tells a member to do something during war time, with valid reasoning of course, during war time, they better listen

else, Titan looses membership, if they ever got it or not by now, and TAF won't protect Titan from EC

TAF would keep an eye on Titan anyway, as they aware of Titan's relationship with the Morganites... TAF Inetlligence doesn't know the details, but they know something is up and could easily guess it is something to do with the Morganite attack and how Titan declared Independence..... to coincedental for their taste

-LMP

So will they take any action against the Queen? We will be willing to cooperate with the TA in a sense that we will share research data regarding Biotechnology or any research data but wish to offer no military support as it would ruin good relations between the Kingdom and the Morganities. I think that Maria would like to promote peace between the people of Sol and Morganities, which would be the best solution for them (trade and $$$ from Morgan, diplomacy and tech from TA).

Mellian, is it okay if we start colonising other moons of Saturn? Titan has become overcrowded due to the horrible Planned colonial economy run by the colony's previous owner.

History Guy - nice.

BTW does the CEO have any other interests in our ambassador (or vice versa)?

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She also liked CEO Nwabudike Morgan very much, and found him the most charming fellow she’d ever met.

BTW, my flight is today in the afternoon (London time) and I can't wait. While I'm gone, keep up the good work guys!!!

--Nikola

History Guy · February 17, 2002, 15:48

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Morgan Intersteller's security units are clearing house? Damn! Some of those guys were our (unkowningly) agents!

Yessssir, Lonestar, Mr. Ku (guess what that's Chinese for!!

) is clearing all the suspected traitors out, and Mr. Binstead went first. Mr. Sym will remain undiscovered for quite a while.

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Good post History Guy-->score another point for you on attacking Yang. dang!

Thanks Franky. Don't worry, the next post will have Mr. Sym for sure...and as much as he may disapprove of Yang, he makes no bones about selling info to him.

General Tacticus, my government shall not respond to your message until the Spartans do, we'll go along with them. They are, after all, our allies.

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History Guy - nice. BTW does the CEO have any other interests in our ambassador (or vice versa)?

Um, well, thanks Cyber, but unless you want to include that sort of thing, I have no plans to do so. I think, though, that if one would meet CEO Morgan he'd be a very congenial guy.

Sprayber · February 17, 2002, 16:18

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Originally posted by History Guy

General Tacticus, my government shall not respond to your message until the Spartans do, we'll go along with them. They are, after all, our allies.

History Guy: I forgot to put it in the message but the Spartans did respond to the Cadre's message. You should act as if the Spartans have briefed the Morgan government on the situation with the Cadre. Same goes for Mr. President with regards to the Drone government.

Mr. President · February 17, 2002, 17:17

Tip for other users: Don't try and post a story while changing your e-mail in a different window. I lost the first part of the annual Firaxian invitational banquet, so I'll have to do it again some other time. I was making it up as I went along, too. Probably not a good idea in the future.

Sprayber · February 17, 2002, 17:29

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Originally posted by Mr. President
Tip for other users: Don't try and post a story while changing your e-mail in a different window. I lost the first part of the annual Firaxian invitational banquet, so I'll have to do it again some other time. I was making it up as I went along, too. Probably not a good idea in the future.

Yeah I have had this happen. But I always write my post on word or something and then transfer it to the post box. So if it happens, I still have the original.

Sovereign · February 17, 2002, 20:39

Hey guys, Sprayber told me I could join in and write for the University. I thought I'd stop by for feedback from all of you on some of my ideas. I've followed your story and also your discussions about reality, minimal alien influences, no super-technology like singularities and hyperwarps, etc.

I was thinking about starting the University off somewhat distanced from the most human factions. I think perhaps a good location would be near both Tarn and Gorn space, at like, the northeastern corner of the human sector.

How does three systems sound for the University?

Solar System 1 (green star): A Earth-like solar system with twin M-class planets and 4 gas giants, as well as 3 Mercury style planets. Note: Capital of the University

Solar System 2 (yellow star): 5 mars sized planets, a couple of gas giants, and an oceanic planet.

Solar System 3 (blue star): A relatively young solar system (age: 30 million years) 4 Venus planets, a super gas giant, two planets undergoing heavy changes (much like Earth did in 4 billion B.C.) and several Pluto planetoids. There is some remains of the nebula interspersed with the Oort cloud of that system to demonstrate how young the system is.

As for technology... How does Plasma Lasers sound? Think Star Wars rapid lasers crossed with Star Trek's phasers. Rapid reddish lasers like a machine gun. It would do comparable damage to Procterate's particle cannons or TAF's Ion Cannons (remember University has potential to create advanced weaponary, but doesn't have military like Hive, Sparta, TAF, or Proctrate.

Armors... Neutronium armor, based on SMAC's version with matter compression, comparable to nanotech hulls of Procterate and Bio-Armor of TAF and to a lesser extent, Scions. Neutronium armor is difficult to pentrate with projectile weapons, can be breached by multiple energy weapons focused on one spot, and is impervious to collision damage from asteroids and some suicidal ships like the Soldiers of God...

Other technologies, basically think of Level 7 - 8 technologies from SMAC in terraforming, discovery, and building. University does have knowledge of nanometallurgy and Nano-Industrial much like the Procterate and Dosi, but prefers to apply that technology towards peaceful means instead of the military. Neutronium hulls are good enough for them.

Government, part American/Russian democracy and part lineage. You see, I plan on the University shunning artifical enhancements to their bodies such as bio-metal for Scions, MMI like Cyborgs, and yes, even longveity treatments. The Provost title is handed down from Zhakarov through his son Randius, up to Randius XVIII (18th) by 2700. The University believes that research comes from the human mind and their ingenuity. They feel that artifical enhancements may diminish "What is Human? What is called the Human Mind?". Remember, a lot could have changed from Zhakarov's time to the 2700's. The University could become philosophical and devoted fully to research and technology to better Humanity instead of enhancing humans artifically. This could make the Fraal more receptive towards University, since from what I know, the Fraal prefers natural evolution rather than artifical.

I'll wait to hear from you guys before I pitch a couple other unique ideas I have... depends on if you guys like my first few or not.

Frankychan · February 17, 2002, 20:50

Welcome Sovereign!

As a representative of the Greater Hive Empire I welcome you to BAC.

Seriously, though. welcome. Your idea's sound alright to me. It sounds like the University is like a "think-tank" cooking up new idea's and technology. I guess all you need to do is a time-line (if you haven't done it already!)

Emperor Yang is eager to see what happened to the University after leaving Chiron...

Sprayber · February 17, 2002, 21:16

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Originally posted by Sovereign
I was thinking about starting the University off somewhat distanced from the most human factions. I think perhaps a good location would be near both Tarn and Gorn space, at like, the northeastern corner of the human sector.

link to map:

http://www.geocities.com/beyondalpha.../starmaps.html

Remember that part of the map is where the Hive is generaly located as well as the Believers and Bree. That may not be a good place for a smallish faction to be located. When I made the map I simply put the University out of the way because they were not controlled by anyone. Named Zak Prime, Nova Prime and a third planet. Located on the left side mid way. (I couldn't come up with a better name.)

But if you want to be in a crowded neigborhood then ok. (Maybe its not too late to move Sparta

) The University will have slightly higher technologies then the other human factions since they have avoided going to war since the days on Chiron. Their military size shouldn't be too high.

[qupte]Solar System 1 (green star): A Earth-like solar system with twin M-class planets and 4 gas giants, as well as 3 Mercury style planets. Note: Capital of the University

Solar System 2 (yellow star): 5 mars sized planets, a couple of gas giants, and an oceanic planet.

Solar System 3 (blue star): A relatively young solar system (age: 30 million years) 4 Venus planets, a super gas giant, two planets undergoing heavy changes (much like Earth did in 4 billion B.C.) and several Pluto planetoids. There is some remains of the nebula interspersed with the Oort cloud of that system to demonstrate how young the system is.[/quote]

Sounds ok to me

DarlinKell · February 17, 2002, 22:20

my 2 cents....... you need a main leading lady...... tall, red hair, green eys....... ya know....... something like me...hehehe

Lonestar · February 17, 2002, 22:33

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Originally posted by DarlinKell
my 2 cents....... you need a main leading lady...... tall, red hair, green eys....... ya know....... something like me...hehehe

Well, walk on over to the "sign in" thread and...sign in!

Frankychan · February 17, 2002, 23:16

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Originally posted by Sprayber
Remember that part of the map is where the Hive is generaly located as well as the Believers and Bree. That may not be a good place for a smallish faction to be located. When I made the map I simply put the University out of the way because they were not controlled by anyone. Named Zak Prime, Nova Prime and a third planet. Located on the left side mid way. (I couldn't come up with a better name.)

Shhh! I think Emperor Yang would love to open a relationship with the University...Imagine: Unrestricted research and you don't have to deal with abstract concepts such as "morals" and "ethics". What do you say?

As for DarlinKell-just sign in, tell us what faction you propose to be! Oh yeah, Sprayber is the Thread-God so you might wanna ask him.

Post coming up later tonite!

Sovereign · February 17, 2002, 23:18

Sprayber, thanks for pointing out my error... I forgot to check out your map. University will indeed be located in Zak, Nova, and Univeralis Prime (the 3rd unnamed star).

Univeralis Prime: Solar System 1 with the 2 Earth Planets... Pop: 3 billion... settled in 2353, after University discovered Spaceflight, then found the Star-Gate by accident and was warped to the three star systems. The University had almost 350 years to colonize that region... Nova Prime will be Solar System 2, with the 5 Mars planets and the oceanic planet (Waterworld, anyone?) and has about 50 million people living in sea-cities and the terraforming cities on the Mars worlds... Zak will be desginated as Solar System 3, mostly young and rugged with a lot of raw minerals to exploit but sucks for population centers... about 2 million miners, defense personnel, support personnel, and hardy colonists determined to try and colonize the volanic planets.

Military... University has 3 battleships, 6 carriers, 12 Heavy cruisers, 24 destroyers... and thats it for the whole 3 systems. (1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, and 8 destroyers per system) Also, these ships tend to have green crew... no experience in serious combat. However, University makes up for this huge lack in offensive capability by incredible defensive systems. University tends to focus more on fortifying its 3 home systems aganist invaders and unwanted "tech-stealers"

Therefore, University has orbital batteries, defense platforms, and multiple scanners to scan for cloaked or sneaky forces. the defenses are armed with Space to Space Xaos entropy missiles, and the Plasma Lasers. My Xaos is loosely derived from the Xaos from Civ: ToT. I'm not a huge science nerd

but from what I understand... Entropy is a technology that maxmizies the potential of something to blow up... correct me if I'm wrong and I'll be willing to amend it. Make it something similiar, to missiles that can deliver multiple warheads to a given area.

Hows these for reality, Sprayder and LMP? I'd appreciate any feedback! So I can finally begin writing my piece and not go too far regarding general rules of reality in this story

Silence · February 17, 2002, 23:24

Good Lord my rebels that I am beating up have more capital starships then the Universty.

History Guy do you want me to take Cappela?

Sovereign · February 17, 2002, 23:31

Guys, I'll write up a timeline... do you want it in the Sign-up thread or in here... or should I include important dates in my pieces... like flashbacks or what?

Silence....

The few can defeat the many if provided sufficient technological superiority. Look at a few hundred Spanish musketeers taking down a whole Inca and Aztec empires... 1,000 European Infantry taking down an Zulu force of 25,000...

Be ready for anything

History Guy · February 17, 2002, 23:34

Sovereign, Morgan Interstellar welcomes you. As mentioned in other posts there is an alliance of some sort between Morgan, Zakharov, Adams, and Kessel.

Darlinkell, if you wish to join in, just choose a faction and write up some data on it in the sign in thread. Tall, red hair, green eyes, eh? Sounds OK to me!

Franky, well, um, the University has an alliance with Morgan and (I think) the Spartans. Could an alliance with you Hive guys work out with the University?

Silence, I would like to hear Kassiopeia's thoughts on a future attack on Capella. I think Morgan has his blood up and does see the advantages of taking Capella (Kassiopeia, is Capella a moon or planet or a system?) and it would be very hard to retake by the Terrans, and so it could be very secure. My guess is that several weeks after loosing Callisto he'd be after Capella, but if I would like to hear Kassiopeia's thoughts on this. If Morgan can get one resounding victory over these Terrans he can sue for peace against Terra.

Frankychan · February 17, 2002, 23:35

Sovereign,

I think that you should post in the Sign-in thread. After I read it, I'll put up the G.H.E.'s relationship with the University.

Silence,

How's about stationing the ships we have hired out in system LP 658-2...you know, the one the Protectorate and us had our little "disagreement"?

History Guy · February 17, 2002, 23:39

Good heavens, the posts are coming on thick tonight!!

Lonestar · February 17, 2002, 23:55

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Originally posted by frankychan
Sovereign,

I think that you should post in the Sign-in thread. After I read it, I'll put up the G.H.E.'s relationship with the University.

Silence,

How's about stationing the ships we have hired out in system LP 658-2...you know, the one the Protectorate and us had our little "disagreement"?

So, is the Lord Protector's message just going into empty space or what?

Frankychan · February 18, 2002, 00:20

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Originally posted by Lonestar
So, is the Lord Protector's message just going into empty space or what?

Voila!

I have posted our reply to the Protectorate. Sorry if I didn't respond in a timely manner but I was trying to write some drafts about my post. But there it is! BAM!!!

Sovereign · February 18, 2002, 02:06

Hey guys! My timeline is up, go check it out in Sign-Up thread... Gimme any ideas or feedback

I'm going to incorporate Neutronium hulls, Plasma Lasers, heavy defenses, Xaos missiles, etc. seeing that no one has objections to them. I'd like to start off my story with first contact with either Morganites or Hive...

(nudges HistoryGuy and FrankyChan for ideas how to work out the first contact situation)

Sprayber · February 18, 2002, 03:30

Just some back ground info on the University. First Contact shouldn't be an issue except maybe recontact with the Hive, and contact the protectorate. University has been trading with Morgan and Drones for sometime now. And even the PKs. Contact with Sparta would be cordial and usually through morgan channels I would think. Maybe the occassional Spartan ships comes into University territory for offical reasons but never a battle ship of any kind. the kind of resprentation of foreign governments would be up to sovereign. Since leaving Chiron the University has probably not been in many serious conflicts. choosing to stay neautral and concentrate on research. I'm sure that they have advances that they haven't introduced yet. They pretty much know to not really choose sides. but the rest is up to Sovereign.

Sprayber · February 18, 2002, 03:34

Here is the basic early time line that everyone agreed upon. Again Just basic events and hopefully not too specific.

2221-Progenators Land on Alpha Centauri

2301-Combined Spartan-Pirate-Peacekeeper-Hive armies overrun the last Progenitor stronghold. Conqueror Marr interred in a punishment sphere. University instrumental in providing technological support to Human Alliance.

2303-Morganites-Gaians-Believers are given back lands formerly liberated by Human armies.

2336-Universty and Morgans become the first factions to colonize Nessus and Pholus.

2354-Spartan and Hive forces attempt take over of Nessus mining operations.

2355-Moon Accords are finalized allowing Spartan and Hive to mine small portion of Nessus.

2379-Unversity scientist field first prototype FTL drive.

2381-Improved version of FTL drive is completed. Data Angel probes steal design for first prototype drive. Information is spread across Chiron.

2382-Spartans and Hive threaten war if all information on the new FTL is not released.

2384-University is forced to release information but withholds vital specifications about minerals need to power the drive. At least four different ores are found to work but University only mentions Kalciate as mineral needed.

2388-Peacekeepers attempt to get the factions to agree on equal shares of the FTL drive technology. Spartans and University refuse to cooperate with each other. The Hive-Spartan alliance crumbles and the two factions start small scale fighting. University is relieved of the Spartan Hive threat.

2390-University, with Morgan financial backing, produced the first fully operational FTL ship.

2399-Morgan and University begin production on Colony and Mining ships.

2400-Spartans and Hive launch separate attacks on University territory. Peacekeepers intervene on behalf of the University.

2401-Spartans launch first space attack on a University-Morgan space station. Two completed FTL ships are captured.

2402-Ceasefire is declared and peace returns to Chiron. FTL treaty is signed.

2406-Cyborg Scientists prefect first FTL Comm device. Information is shared to all factions but gets little fanfare initially. (Cyborgs will always seem to be able to communicate better than every other human faction.)

2417-Morgans move their headquarters off of Chiron and become the first faction to leave Chiron. They retain a few assets on Chiron and Nessus, But majority of Morgan employees move with Headquarters.

2420-University sets up their headquarters off world as well. Find out of the way planet to continue research. They maintain relations with Morganites and Peacekeepers.

2424-Spartans join exodus off planet. They wonder for years to find the right planet to take.

2428-Spartans land at Spartan Point on a planet they name Sparta.

Sprayber · February 18, 2002, 03:45

Sovereign I loved some of your events. But if you could just rearrange some of them with different dates to fit the timeline of the early years. The time between 2420 on is completly up to you. You may want to read some of the timelines and maybe insert some contact with them. Like I said above, the Uni has pretty much maintained contact with Morgan and the Pks. with off and on contact with the Spartans. The Spartans pretty much get the tech that you trade with morgan. Probably at an increased cost most likly

But thats ok, cause the Morgans know the value of the Spartan Federation.

Sprayber · February 18, 2002, 03:51

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Originally posted by DarlinKell
my 2 cents....... you need a main leading lady...... tall, red hair, green eys....... ya know....... something like me...hehehe

hmmm. the gians would suit you most i think. Since Lady Deirdre does like to go dancing naked through the trees. If I know you as well as I know I do, that would do just fine.