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Old January 30, 2002, 16:55   #1
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"Fire and Roses" released!
"Fire and Roses" is out! Go get it at http://www.geocities.com/intaphernes/Rosese.html
Post your comments here. A great thanks to Case, Hobbes and John Valdez for playtesting.
In case you don't know what this scenario is about, here is the historical background:

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During the early middle ages, Iran was subject of little regard to the great arab empire, as in earlier ages, when the center of empire lay in today's Iraq.
The arab Caliphs passed the executive power to certain Emirs, who were to govern their land in own measure. Several of these Emirs became largely independent, as the Caliph of the Abassids was more concerned with closer and more urgent matters, for example a revolt of slaves in southern Iraq in the 9th century that evolved into a large-scale war, lasting a decade.
During this time, an Emir residing in Samarqand, rose to power. He founded the so-called dynasty of the Samanids. Not here, that Emirs were at first nothing but 'governeurs' of more aristocratic sort. But their passing to power was often dynastic, so that the Emirates de facto mostly turned into independent empires. In 909 they annected the emirate of the Saffarids.
This is where the scenario starts.
The Samanids kept the sovereignity over Persia for most of the following century, but, more importantly, they kept alight the flame of persian culture. During the same period, a new and coming power from southern Iran (Fars) emerged, the Bujids. In 945, they took Baghdad, de facto terminating all of the Abassid power. Nominally, they were just sovereigns in the name of the Caliph.
After 976, a new vassal of the Samanids emerged in what is today Afghanistan. They were named Ghaznavids, after their capital of Ghazna (today's Ghasni, between Kandahar and Kabul). Little of the splendor of the city remains, only the tomb of Mahmud, the most important of the Ghaznavid kings, several towers and smaller monuments.
The Ghaznavids took the title of Sultan, for they were of Turkish, not Arab or Iranian origin. Their first Sultan was Subuktigin (976-997), who launched several campaigns into India. He was succeeded by Mahmud (998-1030). Mahmud destroyed the Samanid emirate and other regional powers, establishing an empire that stretched from Delhi almost to modern-day Iraq. He is considered one of the most important conquerors of early islamic history.
His successors were of little luck. After their defeat at the battle of Dandanqan in 1040, they had to pass over their power to the Seldjuks, another turkish tribe emerging from central Asia. The Ghaznavids were reduced to modern-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, and parts of India, always being in clinch with the regional power of the Ghurids, who eventually drove the Ghaznavids out of their homelands, and terminating all their power after taking their later capital of Lahore (1186): This is where the scenario ends.
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Old January 30, 2002, 18:34   #2
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A shame I won't be able to play it (I guess)
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Old January 30, 2002, 20:19   #3
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Um, slight warning (?) here,

Tried to dl 3 times using the save to disk option and got a corrupt dl everytime. Managed to leech it off the site with go!zilla first time though (Hope Stefan doesn't mind! ).
A geocities thing?
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Old February 1, 2002, 19:10   #4
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stefan,

I´ve played a few turns and i was quite confused

is it a build-empire scenario??

if we are allies with all the tribes and negotiation is not allowed, how are we suposed to prospere

do we need to conquer land, or...

don´t know, help me a little
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Old February 3, 2002, 15:11   #5
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stefan?

are you around?
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Old February 3, 2002, 16:22   #6
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Stefan's homeforum...
You can find him here, too...

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Old February 3, 2002, 16:53   #7
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Re: Stefan's homeforum...
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Originally posted by Prometeus
You can find him here, too...

http://www.civ2-forum.gamigo.de/foru....php?forumid=4
in german a little difficult for me

but thanks anyway
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Old February 4, 2002, 09:29   #8
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is it a build-empire scenario??

if we are allies with all the tribes and negotiation is not allowed, how are we suposed to prospere

do we need to conquer land, or...
Yes, it's an empire-building game. I believe you have played as the Ghaznavids, and you are referring to the Ghaznavid-Ghurid relations... it's a little twist in the game that prevents you from wiping out a later rival. Later on, you'll be able to destroy them. I just thought, the Ghurids are so damn weak at the start, it'd be more fair if they had a while to stick around.
As for the rest, it's perfectly an empire-building and conquest scenario.
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Yes, it's an empire-building game. I believe you have played as the Ghaznavids, and you are referring to the Ghaznavid-Ghurid relations... it's a little twist in the game that prevents you from wiping out a later rival. Later on, you'll be able to destroy them. I just thought, the Ghurids are so damn weak at the start, it'd be more fair if they had a while to stick around.
As for the rest, it's perfectly an empire-building and conquest scenario.
ok

yes i started as the ghazvanids, and i had an army ready to destroy de Ghurid and then i saw that i was allie and negotiations weren´t allowed with them

I wasn´t sure, it doesn´t seem that there is a lot of land to colonised and the indo´s civilization is really close, I guess i´ll need to be fast

your latest scenarios are different to the normal ones that you used to release
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the indo´s civilization is really close
Go and sack them, then... Mahmud of Ghazni will be proud of you...
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Old February 5, 2002, 17:51   #11
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Go and sack them, then... Mahmud of Ghazni will be proud of you...
ísn´t the Ghazni civ allied with the indians?

anybody else has played the scn?
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your latest scenarios are different to the normal ones that you used to release
In what way are they different?
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your latest scenarios are different to the normal ones that you used to release
In what way are they different?
less action and more empire-building

son of heracles and fire and rose are quite different from pharaon and Darius I, for example
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ísn´t the Ghazni civ allied with the indians?

anybody else has played the scn?
simple. I tried to recreate historical facts playing this scen Shaka... So the first thing i did was to attack my brave and bold allies - and i didn't care if my reputation got fried...
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