People Are Sick Bastards!

[DinoDoc]

I'd have to kill anyone that tried to do anything similar to my babies.

Originally posted by Snapcase
I thought death by hanging was caused by the brain stem and spinal chord being ripped off when the atlas vertebrae dislocates from the fall, and was pretty instantaneous.

I was always under the impression that only happened if you didn't do it correctly.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I was always under the impression that only happened if you didn't do it correctly.

In Europe, thats how to do it properly. Interesting that European "correct" gives a quick humane death, yet in America, that's a mistake.

[Velociryx]

Nahhh....lots more ways to give a humane death than a hanging.

If you hang someone, you're making a statement, and a deep visual impression.

At that point, it's not about what's humane anymore.

-=Vel=-

[MichaeltheGreat]

That's why we don't hang people anymore. (don't think any state still does it)

[Velociryx]

If any state did, MtG, I'd bet half my paycheck it'd be Texas

(once, while travelling thru Texas, I was listening to the radio and a news spot came up, announcing that some guy--its been years ago now and I forget his name--killed his neighbor...shot him, and got off....was found not guilty.

His defense.

"That man needed to be killed."

Interesting state, Texas....

-=Vel=-

[General Ludd]

It's a really disturbing story, but frankly I am not surprised by these sorts of things. I grew surrounded by teenagers like this. (one thing that stands out in my mind, is when they'd go to a pond in the woods, catch frogs then blow them up with fire crackers or throw them off cliffs or onto the road ect...)



And speaking from experience, asher is probably right when he suggested that only one or two of them actually did it, the rest where just going along to be 'cool'.

[Wiglaf]

You people are all sick. Much sicker than the kids in the article Imran posted.

Those bastards should be strung up like they did to the dog!

Some DNA needs to be filtered out of the ****ing gene pool.

Damn right!

Throw them to the dogs so they may devour their flesh as they wither and scream in utter agony. Before they are ready to grasp their final breath take them out of the pit. When the faint smiles of hope of salvation crosses their faces, throw them back in and leave.

Maybe we should hang those little ****s, see how they like it.

Hanging actually doesn't last long enough. Something about lack of oxygen to the brain, unconsciousness, and all that.

Being children doesn't mean sh!t. They should have known better. I don't care if they have been «born with problems» or have had a crap education from home.

I hope these kids accidently blow themselves up playing with explosives before they get much older.

Its good for those mofos that they were in Canada, not Alaska. If those bastards tried pulling that on my kid, they'd find themselves six feet under.

Yeah...find 'em and send 'em down....still plenty of room left in the swamp, and the gators should be mating soon....nothing quite like a good gator frenzy to make some angry teens wet themselves in sheer terror just before....

I don't know who the hell you people think you are. These teenagers are obviously having serious mental or social problems, and probably didn't come from the sort of household most of you did. Maybe they weren't educated. Maybe they're a little insane. But they're just kids. And they attacked an animal. Oh my, off with their heads.

The fact that grown men like you people are wishing death on them for a mistake they made at such a young age is sick. You want to slaughter a disturbed human child just because he choked a pet? Newsflash people, it's ONLY AN ANIMAL. Think of the big picture for a second, then let loose the death threats.

They should be evaluated, and sentenced according to their crimes. Hate to break it to you, but killing a dog isn't that big a deal. The kids who did it need medical attention, not your petty revenge. It's sick if you think they can't be helped. Because they so easily can. Ruining all their lives is much much worse than killing a simple dog it's hard to imagine. Listen to yourselves for a second.

Ever done anything wrong as a kid, yin? MtG? Imran? Orange? Vel? Wombat? If you did, or if you came from a horrible home or had bad parents, I sure bet you wouldn't want people wishing you'd choke on a piece of plastic explosives or whatever. They need help, that's all this tragedy shows. Bunch of sick irrational bastards.

You should feel terrible and depressed over the condition of the kids that did this. Not angry. So god damn immature of all of you.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'd have to kill anyone that tried to do anything similar to my babies.



I was always under the impression that only happened if you didn't do it correctly.

I've been hung, when I was 8 or 9. I tensed my neck muscles in order to survive. I don't know how long I was suspended, probably only a few seconds, but it seemed longer.

Wiglaf- You don't know my household! Just because we're computer literate doesn't mean we all came from the creme de la creme of society. Even if some of us di come from the upper crust that doesn't mean we'd be immune to cruelty. How do you think the top dogs get to the top anyway?

[Guynemer]

Oh. Dear. God.



I actually agree with something Wiggy said. Not everything, not by a long shot. But anything at all... it's just too much.

Please, please, PLEASE let that actually be the alleged "hacker" who is trying to ruin Wiggy's reputation by posting something that has a spark of intelligence.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
So god damn immature of all of you.

I've seen everything now.

[Drekkus]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
You people are all sick. Much sicker than the kids in the article Imran posted.

I don't know who the hell you people think you are. These teenagers are obviously having serious mental or social problems, and probably didn't come from the sort of household most of you did. Maybe they weren't educated. Maybe they're a little insane. But they're just kids. And they attacked an animal. Oh my, off with their heads.

You should feel terrible and depressed over the condition of the kids that did this. Not angry. So god damn immature of all of you.

You sound like those socialist sociologists here in Europe.

[Velociryx]

Hey Wiglaf....

A mistake is when you make a left instead of a right, or when you buy a diet Mt. Dew instead of the real mccoy, 'k?

You don't just "accidentally" torment a little kid and hang is dog till he's dead.

I'm not sure what planet you're from, but stuff like that just doesn't happen "by mistake." You know?

That was an *intentional* act.

As to the seriousness of our words. I think it's a safe assumption that no one here would *really* act in the same fashion as we spoke. There's a huge difference in venting ones rage and carrying it out.

Something those teens clearly have not learned yet.

Something you yourself do not seem to be aware of.

Interesting.

-=Vel=-

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Newsflash people, it's ONLY AN ANIMAL.

Spoken like someone who has never owned a pet in his entire life.

[Eli]

I now support the death penalty for people of all ages.

[Dr Strangelove]

Hey! But I wasn't doing anything!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Spoken like someone who has never owned a pet in his entire life.

I've never owned a pet, or more precisely a dog. (even though I imaginarily sent my «dog» to bite you Dinodoc ) And it's true that I regret it. I seem to have a minor case of kynophobia (afraid of dogs) that seems to run in the family tree for quite a few decades. But I absolutely love dogs and know a lot about them from reading. And I'm most certaintly going to get one.

The point is that they tormented a child in the most hideous way.

Our statements are ventings of our frustation and bewilderment. And damn right too to express them.

[Dr Strangelove]

Hmmm---Genetic Kynophobia? Is there any Gypsie blood in you? People in southern Europe sicced [sp] their dogs on gypsies for nearly a millenium, so a fear of dogs would have been a selective advantage among gypsies.

I can think of more hideous ways to torment a child.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove

I can think of more hideous ways to torment a child.

For instance, when I was a kid (maybe 10), some jackass teenagers made a prank call when I was home alone. They said that they had my mother, and if I didn't do exactly what they said that they would rape her. That was ****ing hilarious, I'm sure. I was bright enough at the time to realize that someone was yanking my chain, but it was still terrifying.

[Dr Strangelove]

At about the same age an un-named person took a .38 revolver, loaded it with one round, twirled the cylinder, put it to my temple and pulled the trigger. He did it over and over. I was restrained obviously.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Hmmm---Genetic Kynophobia? Is there any Gypsie blood in you? People in southern Europe sicced [sp] their dogs on gypsies for nearly a millenium, so a fear of dogs would have been a selective advantage among gypsies.

Gypsie blood? Not that I know of. But I have traced my family only 5 generations in the past so you never know. I don't think there exists a pure genetic kynophobia. It is more because my Grandma considered dogs «fithly», she has passed this to my mom too (which she also fears dogs but loves them) and she has passed it to me a little bit.

Funny thing is my Grandfather always had dogs (despite the reservations of my Grandmother I presume). One of these dogs always stood guard by my craddle in the garden when I was a baby and would bark to anyone who was approaching and was not direct family.

This dog would go each and every day to the bus station and wait for my mom and my aunt to come back from school and would accompany them back home. It knew the time EXACTLY and was ALWAYS there.

There was no fear of dogs back then in my family. But when my mom brought a little puppie home my grandma started saying that it was fithly and essentially made her give it back. And that's when kynophobia kicked in I think. My GrandMa always considered dogs to be «filthy» up to this day even though she is a great person in every other respect

[August Borms]

Originally posted by orange
Maybe we should hang those little ****s, see how they like it.

I agree. And all meat-eaters should be hung too.

[Stefu]

I don't know who the hell you people think you are. These teenagers are obviously having serious mental or social problems, and probably didn't come from the sort of household most of you did. Maybe they weren't educated. Maybe they're a little insane. But they're just kids. And they attacked an animal. Oh my, off with their heads.

The fact that grown men like you people are wishing death on them for a mistake they made at such a young age is sick. You want to slaughter a disturbed human child just because he choked a pet? Newsflash people, it's ONLY AN ANIMAL. Think of the big picture for a second, then let loose the death threats.

They should be evaluated, and sentenced according to their crimes. Hate to break it to you, but killing a dog isn't that big a deal. The kids who did it need medical attention, not your petty revenge. It's sick if you think they can't be helped. Because they so easily can. Ruining all their lives is much much worse than killing a simple dog it's hard to imagine. Listen to yourselves for a second.

Ever done anything wrong as a kid, yin? MtG? Imran? Orange? Vel? Wombat? If you did, or if you came from a horrible home or had bad parents, I sure bet you wouldn't want people wishing you'd choke on a piece of plastic explosives or whatever. They need help, that's all this tragedy shows. Bunch of sick irrational bastards.

You should feel terrible and depressed over the condition of the kids that did this. Not angry. So god damn immature of all of you.

I bet only one or two of them are into it, and rest are just going along for fear of looking like pussies.

But seriously, this is really disturbed. Next time it'll be mother screaming as these little monsters hang her baby for a larf. Time for a recreational holiday in correctional facility, methinks. I bet there are folks there that love their housepets.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
That's why we don't hang people anymore. (don't think any state still does it)

I looked this up recently while arguing with a friend. I though no state did either.
Legally speaking, it is still legal in just 3 states I think:

Delaware *
New Hampshire **
Washington ***

* Authorizes lethal injection for offenses after 6/13/86; those who committed offenses before that date may choose lethal injection or hanging.

** Authorizes hanging only if lethal injection cannot be given

*** Authorizes two (2) methods of execution

Also:

Executions since 1976 by Method

Lethal Injection
(Authorized in 35 States) 560
Electrocution
(10 States, favored in 3) 149
Gas Chamber*
(5 States) 11
Hanging*
(2 States) 3
Firing Squad*
(2 States) 2

Go'on, guess how many people have been executed in Texas this January alone

source

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
At about the same age an un-named person took a .38 revolver, loaded it with one round, twirled the cylinder, put it to my temple and pulled the trigger. He did it over and over. I was restrained obviously.

USA! USA!

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by paiktis22
A sub-officer of the army ordered some soldiers (dare you to believe it!) to...KILL the puppies!

Not unusual to establish a birth control on domestic animals, it is necessary evil thing. But nothing justify free cruaulty.

A person who act evil toward an animal, could act evil toward an human too.

[Jac de Molay]

The truly appropriate punishment should be a mandatory 5-year stint working for the Humane Society.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior

Not unusual to establish a birth control on domestic animals, it is necessary evil thing. But nothing justify free cruaulty.

A person who act evil toward an animal, could act evil toward an human too.

He had an order from an officer higher than him to «take care of the problem of stray dogs in the military space».

To me, and to most, that should mean call the animal shelter organizations, give them clearance to enter and take care of the dogs.

I'm not sure if he has been dismissed from the army. I hope so.


The soldiers that beat him up were conscripts (military service is obligatory in Greece) and it is to their honor that they refused to obey that «order». And that they beat him up I don't know the consequences for them though.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Go'on, guess how many people have been executed in Texas this January alone

4..... We missed you.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola


4..... We missed you.

Looks like you were tired, this mounth...

[Bereta_Eder]

Ah! I found something about that crime.

Brutal slaughter raises issue of army camp dogs


While both dog-killing officer and intervening soldier face jail sentences,military chiefs consider canine sterilisation programme

BY CORDELIA MADDEN

THE HACKING to death of eight newborn puppies and one adult dog by an army officer could ultimately prove positive for the hundreds of stray dogs that have made military camps throughout Greece their homes.

"This brutal act has brought to light the fate of many stray dogs frequenting military camps, and the Hellenic army is currently examining the idea of vaccinating and sterilising all of these animals," Lieutenant-Colonel Nicholaos Zahariadis, press officer of the Hellenic general staff, tells the Athens News on January 29.

"The army is considering the implementation of a sterilisation programme," adds Lieutenant-General Veterinarian Dimitris Hatzopoulos. "The army runs three professional veterinary hospitals around Greece, and at very little cost we could organise the neutering of these stray dogs."

The eight puppies were slaughtered by reserve officer Dimitris Tahas on August 30, 2001, at the army camp of Lagada, near Thessaloniki. In this vicious act, he beheaded the newborn puppies with an axe and then pursued an adult dog [possibly the mother, although reports are unconfirmed] with the same weapon, causing extensive injuries which resulted in its death two weeks later.

The carnage was witnessed by four soldiers, among them Vassilis Routsis, but no move was made to stop the officer at the time. However, later that day the subject was raised in the canteen, when Routsis demanded to know why Tahas had beheaded the puppies. In a skirmish that followed, it appears that blows were exchanged between officer and soldier, until the pair were separated by soldier Theodoris Andreou.

Tahas reported the incident to the camp commander, but omitted to mention the killing, which had sparked off Routsis' rage. The commander learnt the full story in an investigation, which resulted in officer Tahas receiving a punishment of 15 days extra military service (for neglecting to report the entire incident). The two soldiers were each given 20 days (for disrespecting a senior officer).

The case is now going to court, where Tahas will be tried for contravening law 1197/81 Protection of Animals, Article 1, paragraph 2, which states that "whoever kills, tortures, mistreats or abandons animals is punished under Article 8". The penalties for violation of this law are six months' imprisonment or fines of between 88 and 294 euros (30,000 and 100,000 drs).

Meanwhile, Routsis will be tried for using force against a superior officer, a crime which can carry a punishment of up to 10 years, especially if the prosecutor can extend the charge to inflicting grievous bodily harm to an officer.

"It is a travesty of justice that a man who committed such a barbaric act could escape with a fine while the one who attempted to demand justification for the slaughter is facing a possible 10 years in jail," says Effi Dodoura of Thessaloniki-based animal welfare society Argos.

The society's lawyer, Sotiris Babatzimopoulos, will defend Routsis at the trial, expected to be held within four months. By law, Babatzimopoulos himself is unable to comment on the case.

The unjustness of the possible sentences has caused widespread outrage in both the media and among the public. However, Lieutenant-Colonel Zahariadis is quick to point out that he doesn't believe a military court [in this case] could rule a stricter punishment for the soldier than the officer.

"Routsis' action was that of a humane person, and he should not suffer for it. The charge of being violent towards a superior officer," he continues, "allows for mitigating circumstances such as being under extreme psychological pressure."

Apart from the 500 or so official guard dogs which are kept on army grounds, enjoying medical care and food courtesy of the Hellenic army, an untold number of stray dogs congregate around military encampments in search of food, shelter and human company.

"There is no order concerning stray dogs on camps. Or whether they should be looked after or discouraged," Zahariadis says, "but there is an unwritten humane law to protect and care for animals wherever you find them."

However, "although our obligation extends only to the working military dogs, the 100-strong team of military veterinarians has also vaccinated, wormed and provided medical c are for many stray dogs living at army camps," Hatzopoulos says.

"Camps put forward requests and the local army vet provides all the medical care necessary."

Therefore, officer Tahas' defence for axing the puppies - namely that they were unvaccinated and therefore he was worried that they could spread disease - is sadly a poor excuse.

"If Tahas was really concerned about the unvaccinated state of the puppies or, indeed their mother, all he needed to do was to telephone the army vets and we would have gone to Lagada and vaccinated and wormed them all immediately," Hatzopoulos says.


ATHENS NEWS , 01/02/2002

In another incident of inconceivable cruelty that came to light this week, two English Setter dogs were discovered hanged near the village of Kato Vassilika, Farsala, northern Greece. It is believed that the animals were hanged alive as punishment for failing to retrieve a hunter's prey. They eventually died of starvation and thirst