ExtraPack Finalization Project (Part 7: Units)

Wernazuma III · February 12, 2002, 18:23

Hi everybody. It appears that I've finally found a Unit-Graphics designer for us - Dark Sheer (Applause!)

We now should help him by providing pictures of the UUs or finding similar unit graphics he could alter.

Here's a list of all UUs:

Tercio (Spanish) replace Musket Man
Horse Archer (Mongols) replace Knight
Camel Rider (Arabs) replace Knight
Sun Warrior (Inca) replace Warrior
Drakkar (Vikings) replace Trireme
Janissary (Turks) replace Musket Man
Quinquireme (Phoenicians) replace Trireme
Balam Warrior (Mayans) replace Warrior
Woad Warrior (Celts) replace Warrior
Nao (Portuguese) replace Caravel
Ship of the Line (Dutch) replace Galleon
Mercava (Jews) replace Modern Armor
Hussar (Poles) replace Dragoon
Sarwe (Ethiopians) replace Spearman
Kobukson (Koreans) replace Frigate
Phak'Ak Man (Khmer) replace Pikeman

Dr. Nick · February 12, 2002, 23:05

Woohoo! You went with the Nao!

Kickasso · February 13, 2002, 07:07

Who are those hussars for Polish?

If you mean Gussars - they are typically Russian noble cavalry - no commoners were in Gussars - only nobles (and in Russain history and folklore - there are lot of stories and jokes abour Gussars bravery and love-affairs)

For Polish I suggest ...something else...I will try to find it but no Hussars or Gussars - they never were Polish units (even then Poland was partly occupied by Russian Empire in XVIII-XIX century).

Harovan · February 13, 2002, 13:03

Kickasso, don't be that greedy. Russians have their Cossacks.

Hussars did exist in many European countries, especially Poland and Hungary. They weren't much "unary" though, just a kind of light and fast cavalry, in contrast to Dragoons and others.

Signa · February 13, 2002, 21:27

I think the Hewbrew UU should replace the Mech Inf, seeing that the Isrealis were on the defensive most the time during the various conflicts they have been in, and I've never really heard of Isreali heavy armor.

Dark Sheer · February 14, 2002, 04:17

Hello guys!

So I am on the project eh?

I will be monitoring this thread and lookout for those picture/drawings that you guys will be posting for those UUs.

I can also be contacted at leongkooi@yahoo.com if anyone decided to mail me the pictures/drawings instead.

LoD · February 15, 2002, 17:06

Kickasso: ooh, we have a little Tzar here, don't we

?
The husars we are talking about originated from the light Serbian and Hungarian cavalry, some of which fought under Polish command. Their combat style (light armor, mobility) was adapted by some Polish nobility, which was the creation of the new formation.
As weapons, the husars used long spears (5 meters - while a significant portion of Western European pikemen had weapons of 4 meter length). After the inititial charge, they would attack with slashing and thrusting weapons such as the sabre or koncerz. Polish hussars are mostly known for their 'wings'.

Wernazuma III: Speaking of the husar, I must strongly dissagre against having them as replacement for cavalry. Polish husars first originated in the beggining of the XVIth century, while the cavalry in Civ3 represents formations predominant in the XVIIIth-XIXth century.
And BTW, there is already someone doing graphics for the husar. You can see the results so far here and here . Guess that's one less unit for Dark Sheer to worry about

.

Kickasso · February 17, 2002, 11:10

Lod, you're right actually

Really Hussars came from Hungary and Serbia in XVIII century but were changed by their weapon and tactical usage in other countries (Russia, Poland, Bulgaria etc) - I had incorrect info and posted it without double checking. Pardon panowe!

Heh, it seems that my majesty must share lovely Gussars with neighbours

...

Ok..agree that not only Russians have Gussars - so let they belong to Poland in Civ3

KICK

Serb · February 17, 2002, 11:26

Enjoy LoD, another tzar arrived

If Poland will have Hussars as UU, then Russian UU must be changed also. I suggest as new Russian’s UU a special version of scout known as Ivan Susanin.

Wernazuma III · February 17, 2002, 11:38

LoD: What do you mean, I do have the Hussar as Dragoon replacement...

King of Rasslin · February 17, 2002, 15:59

You just took units like a warrior, knight or ship and made them foreign names.

Warrior, brave, and fighter are all the same thing, just different words. You just took the same thing and put them in a different language or grouping.

There is no real difference between a ship of the line and a galleon, its just a different name depending on where you are from.

There is no room for more UUs, except for many modern units. I'm sorry, but there is no room for those unimportant civs. There is a reason why there are only 16 civs in the game: there are not enough traits or units.

Relax, this will be possible whenever Firaxis gives us a decent editor, about the same time we perfect fusion energy.

Dark Sheer · February 23, 2002, 22:33

Hmmm....no new information for the last 1 week?

Keep those ideas flowing, guys!

Wernazuma III · February 24, 2002, 19:29

Sorry Dark Sheer, I was cut off from Internet for over a week and even now it's very limited (only at work), so I can't look for images too much. I'll certainly try in the next days.

But you're right: Guys, keep looking for pictures!

molly bloom · February 24, 2002, 23:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Sorry Dark Sheer, I was cut off from Internet for over a week and even now it's very limited (only at work), so I can't look for images too much. I'll certainly try in the next days.

But you're right: Guys, keep looking for pictures!

Not being bolshie, but when was it decided that the Celtic U.U. would be the Lisping Mad Max, sorry, Woad Wawior?

If you were to look at mainland European Celtic history, then the fighter which distinguished them from their neighbours, was the horse-riding, long sword-wielding fighter, who supplanted the chariot on the continental landmass.

If you were to look at the Celts in Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland, then the chariot based fighter (as remarked upon by Julius Caesar) was the distinguishing combatant.

I can easily locate images of reconstructed Celtic chariots and long swords.

Rence · February 25, 2002, 14:47

A quick question:

When is this expansion going to be released?

It sounds great; I can't wait till it's done.

Wernazuma III · February 26, 2002, 06:53

Not so soon lamentably, because we still lack the unit graphics (what this thread should resolve) and the leader graphics, which seems to be still more of a problem...

Wernazuma III · February 26, 2002, 07:06

Tercios:

Civ2 graphic from the spanish civ-site.

Another graphic

I'd say, just take the outfit of the "typical" conquistador (

) and give him a musket...

Wernazuma III · February 26, 2002, 07:21

Horse Archer:

Horse Archer from AoE

Sun Warrior:

Civ2 unit from Spanish Civ Site

datakodin · February 26, 2002, 13:27

What about this for Janissary ?

godinex · February 26, 2002, 14:20

Quetzalcoátl Guard for the Aztecs and jaguar Warrior for the Mayas

godinex · February 26, 2002, 14:23

an aztec mask

godinex · February 26, 2002, 14:24

Mayan Soldier with "Uturuncu"... Uturuncu warrior we could name it...

godinex · February 26, 2002, 14:25

surprise! the aztecs warriors of civ III are Mayan ones.

godinex · February 26, 2002, 14:27

The "Chasqui is the incan scout they were trained all his live for this:
Chasqui de la cultura Inca
Eran mensajeros que se adiestraban desde muy corta edad. Eran elegidos por los sacerdotes que los seleccionaban como los más idóneos para la tarea que desarrollarían en el transcurso de toda su vida y que consistía en llevar mensajes. Estos eran colocados en bolsitas ("chuspas")que, mediante un lazo, colgaba de su cuello.