Diplomacy idea

Theoderik · January 4, 2001, 10:10

One thing that struck me, is that I think civs with equal governments should be more sympathetic to each other, and vice versa.

Eg. Two democracies would be friendly towards eachother (like the US and Britain), but they would have a negative view of a fundamentalist civ (like Iran). Likewise, communist civs would help each other out (like Cuba and the Soviet), but would not be very positive towards monarchies, or religious fundamentalists.

What I am suggesting is a very simple modifier, which means that in negotiations, a civ with a similar government, will be more sympathetic towards you. But if you are a fundamentalist, then democracies will not have anything to do with you.

Theo

Jeje2 · January 4, 2001, 10:17

IIRC Great Britan is officially a Monarchy

Theoderik · January 4, 2001, 12:01

Yes, but then you could say the US is a republic...

In Britain, like here in Norway, the monarch has very little real power. It is the PM and the Government and Parliament that rules, and therefore both Britain and Norway are more democracies than monarchies in a Civ sense. As for the US it is both a republic and a democracy.

But in Civ2 "republic" is supposed to represent "ancient republic" like in Rome or even Athens. "Democracy" represents "modern democracy", and as such most western countries are democracies, wether their head of state calls himself a president or a king. "Monarchy" in Civ2 is the old form of monarchy, where the king was dependent on support from the nobility. Actually the monarchy of Louis XIV would be closer to "despotism" than "monarchy", in that sense.

Theo

lord of the mark · January 4, 2001, 14:28

quote:

Originally posted by Theoderik on 01-04-2001 11:01 AM

But in Civ2 "republic" is supposed to represent "ancient republic" like in Rome or even Athens.

Theo

More like Renaissance Republic - Think Venice, Florence, Netherlands, or even US prior to 1830's.
charecteristics of strong trade, low corruption, but not as good as demo, still strong at expansion, exploration, and limited war.

lord of the mark · January 4, 2001, 14:32

For that matter Britain goes from monarchy to Republic in 1689 (glorious Revolution) and to demo in 1869 (second Reform act which established effectively manhood suffrage)

1830 which expanded the english ruling class cannot be modeled in Civ2 terms.

Theoderik · January 6, 2001, 01:17

quote:

Originally posted by lord of the mark on 01-04-2001 01:28 PM
More like Renaissance Republic - Think Venice, Florence, Netherlands, or even US prior to 1830's.
charecteristics of strong trade, low corruption, but not as good as demo, still strong at expansion, exploration, and limited war.

You're probably right about that. But "republic" would also be the closest choice (of the available ones) to model the Roman Republic and Athenian democracy I guess? Anyway, I agree that Florence and Venice were probably the models for "republic" in Civ2.

T