Do We Make The Game Available To Everyone?

MBloomIII · March 10, 2002, 22:36

Fairly straight forward.

MrWhereItsAt · March 11, 2002, 02:25

You can't trust US!

Zealot · March 11, 2002, 05:38

I voted 'No'. Otherwise it would lose the interest, because I bet a lot of us (yours truly included) who cheat and... see the map.

Keep the thrill. Keep it to yourselves. We know everything we want to know right now!
Right?

Rasputin · March 11, 2002, 07:14

just reveal more to the trustworthy monks who can pray for your rule to continue

shade · March 11, 2002, 10:18

Maybe you can start by supplying the cabinet with the game already!!!
I'm desperatly waiting...

Shade

Harovan · March 11, 2002, 10:24

Of course not. By the way, I also voted no for the ministers to have the game.

shade · March 11, 2002, 10:27

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Of course not. By the way, I also voted no for the ministers to have the game.

ever tried playing Civ 2 with your eyes closed?

Shade

Harovan · March 11, 2002, 11:35

Sure, you not?

If I understand your role right, you are an advisor, meaning you give the president advice what to do in a particular situation. Play the game does the president, not you. That means, he has to support you with needed information before, which may include a picture ("tactical map"), a short description or both.

And if the answer is so clear, why did you initiate such a poll then?

ColdWizard · March 11, 2002, 13:33

no, some people would look at the map and say "go this way, there's _____ there", thus spoiling the game.

shade · March 11, 2002, 13:37

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
he has to support you with needed information before, which may include a picture ("tactical map"), a short description or both.

Who says he can do that?

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And if the answer is so clear, why did you initiate such a poll then?

what the...

Shade

Harovan · March 11, 2002, 14:10

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Originally posted by shade

what the...

Shade

I'm referring to this thread. A military advisor with amnesia?

shade · March 11, 2002, 18:18

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
I'm referring to this thread. A military advisor with amnesia?

Then what is the question that seems to be so clear to me?(which you are refering to)
==>I put up that poll just to change the initial idea of only the pres and vice having the save(I already brought the problem to atention the moment we started but no-one then had a problem with it,they all thought they could easily work blindfolded ,now...they want to see)

Shade

Shaka Naldur · March 11, 2002, 18:59

no

as Zealot says a lot of people would cheat,
probably the president would do something not very honest

but if it is just him is not a big deal

Harovan · March 11, 2002, 20:16

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Originally posted by shade
Then what is the question that seems to be so clear to me?(which you are refering to)

The point is, that you attacked me because I admitted to have voted "no" for the ministers to have the game. If you can't accept a "nay", there's no need to initiate a poll, and it's time to rename the Democratic game into Tyranny game or alike

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shade · March 12, 2002, 03:18

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
The point is, that you attacked me because I admitted to have voted "no" for the ministers to have the game. If you can't accept a "nay", there's no need to initiate a poll, and it's time to rename the Democratic game into Tyranny game or alike

.

so that's what it is

just because of a cynical reply in wich I wanted to show the opposite site of the problem.(btw I absolutely don't care if you said yes or no,I only care about the final result off the poll.I agree that it's not necessary for the citizens to have the save,but it really makes it a lot easier if the cabinet could make use of it(it should speed things up,believe it or not).We'll call it a tyranny game when the president starts using the cabinet as someone using the civ2-High-Council)

*makes note not to joke when SR is around*

Shade

James Adams · March 12, 2002, 05:56

I think that only cabinet members should have the game, include when need to sub-department heads and governors if we use governors, but it would be unnecessary and to easy for anyone to cheat, but I think that cabinet members need the game to do their job as good as possible!

Where can we get the game? As of for a few days the cabinet include me can use the game to get information not to play!

Harovan · March 12, 2002, 06:06

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Originally posted by shade
*makes note not to joke when SR is around*

Jokes are, what those smiley dudes are for

. Yours did not smile, so it was hard to consider your post as a joke.

Harovan · March 12, 2002, 06:08

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Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
as Zealot says a lot of people would cheat...

That's the reason of my "nay" too, but how are the ministers different from normal citizens?

shade · March 12, 2002, 09:37

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph

Jokes are, what those smiley dudes are for

. Yours did not smile, so it was hard to consider your post as a joke.

If cynism or sarcasm drips out of it I don't think They 're necessary.
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(here you have the smiley

)

Shade

Harovan · March 12, 2002, 11:05

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Originally posted by shade
If cynism or sarcasm drips out of it I don't think They 're necessary.

If cynism or sarcasm drips out of it, the post ain't a joke, hence no smiley!

PS: Nicely jacked thread, no?

Marquis de Sodaq · March 12, 2002, 14:20

All right, enough fighting!

(Palace thick-necked goons go to break up the fight)

It appears the ministers will get the game. Regarding cheating - even the ministers could do that. We must play on our honor and not cheat. Knowledge acquired only by cheating would become apparent soon enough.

Shaka Naldur · March 12, 2002, 15:43

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph

That's the reason of my "nay" too, but how are the ministers different from normal citizens?

the less people have the game, the less would cheat

Matticus · March 12, 2002, 23:53

Once a minister has two sub heads they should not be able to see the save. This sounds obsurd, but it isn't.

In a large nation, such as the Roman Empire, their head of agriculture wasn't able to travel the entire empire, he was forced to trust his advisors and coordinate their suggestitions toward the Emperor. That is how we should approach the game once we have a large empire.

and we will have one.

The sub heads shoudl view the game, make polls, give citizens decisions, and reap their views through polls. The they tell the head of their department what the nation wants to do. After each sub head has talked to the minister, he/she will report to the president and he/she will play the game.

Well? Sound good or obsurd?

Waits for the masses to yell and scream....

James Adams · March 13, 2002, 05:19

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Originally posted by Matticus
Once a minister has two sub heads they should not be able to see the save. This sounds obsurd, but it isn't.

In a large nation, such as the Roman Empire, their head of agriculture wasn't able to travel the entire empire, he was forced to trust his advisors and coordinate their suggestitions toward the Emperor. That is how we should approach the game once we have a large empire.

and we will have one.

The sub heads shoudl view the game, make polls, give citizens decisions, and reap their views through polls. The they tell the head of their department what the nation wants to do. After each sub head has talked to the minister, he/she will report to the president and he/she will play the game.

Well? Sound good or obsurd?

Waits for the masses to yell and scream....

I think I that all cabinet including the sub-department heads should have the game!

Marquis de Sodaq · March 13, 2002, 10:07

Yes, but the Roman empire had more than 50 citizens. If we have sub-ministers, they should answer directly to the president. No primary minister above them, as this would take up a citizen to relay info to the pres that could more easily be sent directly. That is, have three ministers of city planning (each with a province), but no fourth one to compile info.

What say the masses?

Zealot · March 13, 2002, 12:02

Poll! Poll! Poll! Poll!

shade · March 13, 2002, 12:05

Marquis has a point...the "subs would do the work" and the minister would be no more then a switchboard.

Shade