Did a plane really hit the pentagon?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Double post. sorry.

[Velociryx]

GP and others:

Again, I reiterate. I'm NOT saying this is some giant conspiracy. I'm saying the photographic evidence at the Pentagon do not match up with the established story.

That's all.

Why?

Simply because there IS NO SIGN of a plane here! If a plane hit, then where are the wings? (which would have snapped off upon impact with the reinforced building? Where is the tail? (which should have been on the front lawn?

Why is the ground not torn up or more than the first floor impact damaged?

Inconsistent.

That's all I'm saying.

And, I could understand the motivations for lying about it.

If it HAD been a truck bomb, then somebody was asleep at the wheel at the Pentagon for allowing such lax security that the truck got that close to begin with.

OTOH, there's not much that can be done about a Jet....so sure, let's tell a little lie to cover up inept security.

Where is the fourth plane?

I have no idea, but again, it ain't on the lawn of the Pentagon.

Wonder about ME all you like, but I think the question posed by this thread is a fair one.

Conspiracy? Doubt it. But it IS a good question, in my mind.

-=Vel=-

[Zealot]

Missile launched in american soil, then?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

This is not to believe in conspiracy that to believe that a gouvernment could lie to its citizen !

Few minutes after the attentat, people have talk about a car or a truck who exploded.

What about the fourth plane if it didn't crash into the pentagon ? Crashed where ? Why ?
Shot down by militar aircraft ? Lost of control ?

[Zealot]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Shot down by militar aircraft ?

That is exactly what I think it happened, but the public oppinion would never accept that american civilians were killed rather to allow a plain hit (IMO) the white house, or other military/government building.

Probably, if I would be a ruthless military officer, I would procede the same way, I guess.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Zealot

That is exactly what I think it happened, but the public oppinion would never accept that american civilians were killed rather to allow a plain hit (IMO) the white house, or other military/government building.

Probably, if I would be a ruthless military officer, I would procede the same way, I guess.

It wasn't maybe (if it really happened like that) the worse choice !If they cannot save people in the plane they have to save other potential victims. They had to shot down the plane.

But following this idea, but why they haven't shot down the two plane who crashed into the towers.

Maybe F16 came too late.

[Victor Galis]

At most it's a cover up... I guess the most far-fetched scenario I accept is this:

truck bomb at pentagon
plane shot down over some body of water (Chesapeake Bay)
govt. decides to cover that up

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
At most it's a cover up... I guess the most far-fetched scenario I accept is this:

truck bomb at pentagon
plane shot down over some body of water (Chesapeake Bay)
govt. decides to cover that up

Yes it a sense !

You know... if I had to make a troll conspiracy theorists post.... I'd have to say that the Republican party staged the 9-11 attacks because they are the ones that are benefitting the most from it. Bush is getting a free ride until 2008 because of 9-11.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Again Sava, your sense of exageration is overhelming !

Since the subject of this thread (I may be wrong) is what happened to Pentagone and not to seek any Alien implication in the bloody 9/11 event.

Personnaly I think simply that militar could have hide some part of the truth to not destabilize more americans.

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Again Sava, your sense of exageration is overhelming !

Since the subject of this thread (I may be wrong) is what happened to Pentagone and not to seek any Alien implication in the bloody 9/11 event.

Personnaly I think simply that militar could have hide some part of the truth to not destabilize more americans.

I got more troll posts...

Speaking of aliens...

Maybe aliens staged 9-11 just to get humanity to destroy itself. America starts a war with the middle east... everyone launches nukes... humanity kills itself... MARS RECLAIMS EARTH!!

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Yes ... you mark a good point ! Moreover, it's well known that alien lifes in a radioactif atmospheres!

[SlowwHand]

Yes, 4 planes. All accounted for.
As was asked, what are you smoking?
As conspiracy theorists, keep your day jobs.

[Zealot]

SlowwHand, you really believe in a plane that leave no debris?

[SlowwHand]

WTF are you talking about, Mr. Zealot?
The 2 planes at WTC left beau coup debris.
The 1 plane at the Pentagon also left much debris.
The 1 plane in the fields of Pennsylvania left much scattered debris.

Let me add this up real quick. 2+1+1=4. Right, 4.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
The 1 plane at the Pentagon also left much debris.

Can you give us pictures of them please?
Because the pics I've seen so far show exactly the opposite.

[SlowwHand]

Does it have to be FOX photos, ala Wiglaf?

[Padma]

OK. First, many people present that day reported seeing debris. No, none of it large, and none of it sticking up in the air to make a good picture.

Next, the plane did NOT hit the Pentagon straight on. Damage evaluation after the attack indicates it hit at about a 45 degree angle to the facing wall. It plowed from right to left, as you face the damaged area.

Eyewitness accounts indicate the plane did not strike the ground floor, but initially impacted the second floor. (No, I cannot see where it impacted in the photos pointed to in the initial post, but I also cannot see anything below the third floor clearly.)

The nose of the aircraft came to rest in A-E Drive, an internal roadway around the pentagon, between the B and C rings, and inside the second 'wedge'. (The plane initially impacted the first 'wedge'. The path of destruction, from the first to the second wedge, is what makes experts believe in the 45 degree angle.)

So basically, the plane struck at an angle, and plowed through the E-ring, the D-ring, and the C-ring before coming to a stop. The E-ring is the only ring that was totally destroyed/collapsed. D and C were severly damaged, and the fireball rolling down corridors 4 and 5 caused extensive damage to B and A as well.

If you superimpose a boing 757 image over the Pentagon, at a 45 degree angle, with the nose resting just inside the C-ring, you will see that the entire aircraft fits inside the building. Plus most of the 'wing-damage' would be in the area that later collapsed.

Like Vel, I am 'vaguely disturbed' by the government's attempt to run rough-shod over our rights since that day, but I don't need non-sensical conspiracy theories to explain it for me.

Go ahead and flame.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Does it have to be FOX photos, ala Wiglaf?

Anything from the U.S. Army would suffice.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Zealot


Anything from the U.S. Army would suffice.

U.S. Army? Why U.S. Army? If it was U.S. Army photos, wouldn't you claim the military had doctored the photos?

[Zealot]

Hey, weren't the military that claimed that a Boeing crashed on the Pentagon?

Then go get me some!
Of course, if you have more of other sources, feel free to show them!

[SlowwHand]

Forget it, Zealot.
There's not even really a Pentagon.
Mere rumor and propaganda.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Forget it, Zealot.
There's not even really a Pentagon.
Mere rumor and propaganda.

Is that how you deal with a challenge?

[SlowwHand]

No, that's how I deal with a dead head.

[Zealot]

Oh, I'm the dead head?
I see some pictures of the US Army about the explosion on the Pentagon. No plain debris there!
You say there was a plain there, and I ask you to show me some pictures! And you have the nerve to insinuate that I'm asking for something that only a moron would ask for!

So, did you see any plain debris on the Pentagon about the 9/11 acident? If you did, show them to us. If you didn't, well, shut it!

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Grrr
I am by now becoming pretty sure that 9-11 is a load of bull ****.

Both the pentagon and the WTC were destroyed by the US government in the largest conspiracy to date.

They try to hide in fact an Alien attacks ... Nobody must now that they are here !!!

[SlowwHand]

It was just a plain old mythical plane, that hit a building that isn't there.
Don't spread it around too much.

[TCO]

Read some of the articles by people who fought the fire in the Pentagon. They saw evidence of the plane crash. Also, where do you think the plane ended up? people are dead who flew on it.

And how did the military make this ruse timed perfectly with the other attacks. They would have to coordinate all of them.

You are butt-stupid.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by GP
And how did the military make this ruse timed perfectly with the other attacks. They would have to coordinate all of them.

This means that your militar cannot do what some illegal terro group could do ??

No ...

Of course militar or Mossad didn't plan such attacks...

The only doubt is what hit the pentagon ?

The photo raise questions. Maybe the plane was shot down by F16 in the ocean and the gouvernment lie to manage american who already suffer a chock.

Maybe not. Due to extrem velocity, the plane craches into oblivions. At 800km/h the impact is extremely violant. Generaly most crashes occures at an average speed of 300/400 km/h or at fall speed (I think that a plane falls slower than an human does).

But all this will not change who commit the attentat neither the sinister casualties count.

[Gatekeeper]

**Throws up hands and walks away** Screw it all. It isn't worth the trouble anymore.