Column #203; By Sheepy99

DanQ · March 28, 2002, 16:58

The 203rd edition of "The Column", dated January 12th, 2002, <A HREF="http://apolyton.net/misc/column/203_mistakes.shtml">has arrived</A> albeit somewhat late. Entitled "<I>CivIII</I>'s Big Mistakes", a disheartened Sheepy99 sends a letter of grave concern to Firaxis. To comment on this article, simply reply to this thread. To comment on this article, simply respond to this thread.

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Immortal Wombat · March 28, 2002, 17:41

Apart from the consistant misspelling of Infogrammes, some fair points, if a little harsh perhaps.

Bugs ****ing Bunny · March 28, 2002, 18:20

It's "Infogrames" according to my Civ3 CD.....

Immortal Wombat · March 28, 2002, 18:33

So I can't spell it either. Its not Infogames anyway.

Hywel Dda · March 28, 2002, 21:59

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Changing the game rules was easier in CivII then CivIII and even nice things like the freakin' map zoom is missing.

I agree. I've tried modding Civ III to push the limits a bit even within the limitations of the editor, and it seems to often become unstable and crash as a result.

Civ II was not only more Mod-able, it was more resiliant to pushing the boundaries of the game (albeit that the AI often had difficulty coping).

TCO · March 28, 2002, 22:46

Markos, are you going to get in trouble with the Firaxis kickback payer for running this column?

The Rusty Gamer · March 28, 2002, 22:57

I belive the next patch is going top make modiifying much more flexible.

There's a discussion on it here.

MagisterMilitum · March 30, 2002, 18:17

I agree with Sheepy99`s CIVIII'S BIG MISTAKES posted on January 12th, 2002. I hope that the patches needed to fix Civ III to what most of civ players want, wont end up in an expansion pack. That would be a great disrespect to all civ fans. Not so much because the money we`ve expended/will expend again, but for the fact that we were all expecting/hoping/dreaming for a product of quality that HAD/HAVE to be better than CIV 2. Maybe I should`ve bought Call to power 2 and waited for CIV IV

P.S.: Im not saying Civ III isnt a great game. It IS. But for example, I think that the ability to MODify the game is one of the main aspects that made for the great enjoyability of it. Thats what gave it so many possibilities for the player, that he never gets bored from playing the same thing over and over again.

Locutus · March 30, 2002, 18:33

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Originally posted by MagisterMilitum
Maybe I should`ve bought Call to power 2 and waited for CIV IV

It's never too late

(and it should only cost you about 10 bucks)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hywel Dda
Civ II was not only more Mod-able, it was more resiliant to pushing the boundaries of the game (albeit that the AI often had difficulty coping).

And CtP2 takes this one step further.

*/shameless plug*

Skanky Burns · March 30, 2002, 20:55

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Originally posted by Immortal Wombat

So I can't spell it either. Its not Infogames anyway.

Yes, its spelt Infogreed.

Lord Neptune7 · April 1, 2002, 00:48

Man i bought CTP 2 after being very frustrated with Civ 3... the editor is just crap the slightest tweeking and it crashes i have yet to make it past 20 AD before it dies so what did i do i go out and buy CTP 2 for some refreshing change and what do i get but a horrible game with a retarded AI so so graphics im glad I waited for the price to come down to 19 dollars.... now my only hope for relief is MOOR 3 please let it be built well.........

The Rusty Gamer · April 1, 2002, 01:50

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Originally posted by Lord Neptune7
Man i bought CTP 2 after being very frustrated with Civ 3... the editor is just crap the slightest tweeking and it crashes i have yet to make it past 20 AD before it dies so what did i do i go out and buy CTP 2 for some refreshing change and what do i get but a horrible game with a retarded AI so so graphics im glad I waited for the price to come down to 19 dollars.... now my only hope for relief is MOOR 3 please let it be built well.........

The answer to CTP2 to make it enjoyable (I was just playing it today and believe me, it is enjoyable) is to use the mods - specifically the Apolyton pack, the Medieval Mod, and the Cradle Mod. There's been a lot of very good work put into these. They're needed to make the game actually playable.

atomicparkerman · April 8, 2002, 19:24

It's a little harsh on the N64 as well. Not all good N64 games were multiplayer like Goldeneye, it's widely seen that Zelda: Ocarina of Time is one of the best games of all time for ANY platform.

April 12, 2002, 02:57

Right ON Dude! They shouldv'e taken the time to give us what we expected; except they were too greedy and wanted the money sooner than later. Next time the money will definately come LATER if it comes at all!

Khab · April 16, 2002, 18:27

Yep, Firaxis has now fallen out of the select number of developers whose games I buy without waiting for a while, to let the hype die down.

Trying not to sound like a plug, I'd like to recommend the excellent Europa Universalis 2 to anyone with imperial ambitions - it has a tough learning curve, but there's plenty of enjoymeny in it.

Darkknight · April 19, 2002, 19:38

I've only ever won once and I cant even remember how it's that long since I've played it. I just gave up and started playing all my older games like civ and col. Which are in a way better then civ3. Civ is just civ with no annoying bits tacked on to the side. It's a nice war game. Civ2 made a really good go at making the game more then that and survived for over 5 years. If I start up a game now I'd probably play it through till the end. Civ 3 aimed too high and missed by a long shot.
If you want a good example of what I was hoping civ3 would be more like try EU2. I'd tell anyone who was dissapointed in civ3 to go get that game it's a lot lot better. This game has been made by the players who knew what they wanted.
I hope with EU and RoN that that's the way the gaming industry is going now. They might have finally gotten the message that players want good games not just more crap they should have given us 5 years ago.

strategy · May 10, 2002, 08:12

No more Civ games for Sheepy99, right?

rah · May 10, 2002, 09:51

A bit harsh, but I found myself in agreement