GP's Version of United State's History - Page 2

rah · May 8, 2002, 13:44

Guynemer
Thanks, the avatar is part of joke ruuning in the CIVII MP forum

Check out War4ever's post in
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...6&pagenumber=3

Drake Tungsten
Yes, I too am surprised, Ming usually kills any negative thread with a member's name in the title. I'm assuming since this isn't a typical vicious attack, he's letting it slide.

GP,
Yeah, i think so too, which is why I was kinda light in return.

Rich

TCO · May 8, 2002, 14:26

Rah, Ming is persecuting me. All the pro-GP threads are getting deleted! (I know...they are all gone, see?)

Stefu · May 8, 2002, 14:32

Nahh, who'd support your kind of branching-threader?

Boris Godunov · May 8, 2002, 14:42

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Brazil had the most slave imports, IIRC.

Arrian was correct about the smallest, Drake on the largest.

Between 1500 and 1870:

American colonies imported 357,000 slaves

Brazil imported 3.5 million.

In 1860, the slave population in the U.S. was about 10 times larger than that of Brazil's. The 2 factors here are that, yup, the US bred them strongly. Brazil also worked theirs to death at a breathtaking pace.

And yeah, I meant Belgium. Same difference.

Although, the Dutch weren't exaclty too pleasant to the South Africans, were they? One of the reasons the Brits were able to kick out the Boers successfully was that the native Africans thought the Brits could protect them from the Boers.

TCO · May 8, 2002, 14:55

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Originally posted by Stefu
Nahh, who'd support your kind of branching-threader?

Hey little BBS slut. I found some new Sci FI forums that haven't experienced much trolling yet...lots of big fish left...

Stefu · May 8, 2002, 15:10

Oh, be quiet, supporter of antiquated, clunky BB systems no-one sensible uses.

TCO · May 8, 2002, 15:41

You need to honor our heritage more. I expect that from a vet...

Stefu · May 8, 2002, 16:04

This forum's never been branching thread. Dig it? THIS FORUM'S NEVER BEEN BRANCHING THREAD. Dig it? Dig it? Dig it?

TCO · May 8, 2002, 16:11

This was back when Jesse and Mr. Mantequilla were here.

Stefu · May 8, 2002, 16:42

Well, for one thing, I'm not even sure Jesse and Mr. Mantequilla even were here (Weren't they at ol' Addicted?), but I can say with 100% certainty that forums of Apolyton Civilization Site have never utilized the monstrous branching thread format.

Imran Siddiqui · May 8, 2002, 16:42

The only thing this thread proves is that the mods just don't care anymore

.

Oh, and GP, branching threads suck ass.

TCO · May 8, 2002, 16:49

They were here. Just ask Ming or JB or Spink (I mean Boddington).

TCO · May 8, 2002, 16:50

Stefu, you probably don't remember the old gray color scheme and how bitterly we fought the blue..

devilmunchkin · May 8, 2002, 16:51

does anyone know that we stopped slavery before Cuba and Saudi Arabia even stopped BUYING slaves? those countries didn't stop slavery until the 1960's

Imran Siddiqui · May 8, 2002, 16:55

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They were here.

I didn't say they weren't here, I said they just don't care

.

TCO · May 8, 2002, 16:58

hey you hoser! I mean the soup brethren

Imran Siddiqui · May 8, 2002, 17:02

MrFun · May 8, 2002, 20:55

GP --- if you do not ignore the bad things in our history, then why do you get on my case when I point out the bad things??

Carver · May 8, 2002, 21:42

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Originally posted by devilmunchkin
does anyone know that we stopped slavery before Cuba and Saudi Arabia even stopped BUYING slaves? those countries didn't stop slavery until the 1960's

1960s? What are you talking about? The labour conditions for former slaves and descendants of slaves continued to be poor in Latin America, but I don't think you can call it slavery.

Anyhow, at least Cuba was actively fighting against apartheid in South Africa by the 1970s, while the U.S. was still supporting it.

Carver · May 8, 2002, 21:49

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Originally posted by atawa
I agree in most parts of the world the gouverments kick the **** out of their own people BUT:

How many of those regimes received and still receive american military and economical aid?

The U.S. has a terrible history of supporting tyrants, authoritarian governments, and brutal rebel leaders:

Suadi Arabia
Egypt
Jordan

and until recently:
Contras in Nicaragua (regardless of the fact that they were shipping drugs to American teenagers)
Mobutu in Zaire (DR Congo)
UNITA in Angola
Aparthied South Africa

TCO · May 9, 2002, 01:25

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Originally posted by MrFun
GP --- if you do not ignore the bad things in our history, then why do you get on my case when I point out the bad things??

Because I have a big enough brain to keep more than one idea at a time in it...

MrFun · May 9, 2002, 02:00

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Originally posted by GP

Because I have a big enough brain to keep more than one idea at a time in it...

Ok, so we do have something in common then.

I see both positive and negative with our country's history.

TCO · May 9, 2002, 03:31

What year are you in college? What courses have you taken?

Hueij · May 9, 2002, 06:35

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Originally posted by atawa

Please enlight me, what exactly did we do in africa?

Let's just say that the West Indian Company did not include Ghana in their Amsterdam-Caribbean route for the fair African weather... We were quite famous as slave traders, you know, being merchants and all that...

Ansd I still think slavery should have been included in Colonization...

TCO · May 9, 2002, 06:36

your avatar speaks to this...

MrFun · May 9, 2002, 13:16

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Originally posted by GP
What year are you in college? What courses have you taken?

I am a senior undergraduate student.

I've taken basic history courses (boring, since I already knew most of the stuff), and others I have taken include: African-American History, American Colonial History, and a couple of others.

For the fall, I am taking Modern Africa, and Historical Research Methods.

Letter grades are sometimes over-hyped at how well they represent a student's knowledge, but I get B's and A's in all of my non-history courses, and I get A's in all of my history courses.

The history professors in our department have always appreciated my contributions to class discussions, and have enjoyed presentations on certain topics that I have given.

Drake Tungsten · May 9, 2002, 14:00

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Originally posted by MrFun
For the fall, I am taking Modern Africa, and Historical Research Methods.

African history and a historiography course? Ugh...

I'm sure you'll enjoy it though. Have fun.

TCO · May 9, 2002, 15:11

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Originally posted by MrFun

I am a senior undergraduate student.

I've taken basic history courses (boring, since I already knew most of the stuff), and others I have taken include: African-American History, American Colonial History, and a couple of others.

For the fall, I am taking Modern Africa, and Historical Research Methods.

Letter grades are sometimes over-hyped at how well they represent a student's knowledge, but I get B's and A's in all of my non-history courses, and I get A's in all of my history courses.

The history professors in our department have always appreciated my contributions to class discussions, and have enjoyed presentations on certain topics that I have given.

You really should take a historiography course or at least a seminar course where you are forced to use and to compare and contrast different school of thought. (revisionist, Wilsonian, etc.) I took an excellent class like this from a practicing historian (author of a text) at USNA. We compared and contrasted 2-3 essays by different writers on a selected event in US foreign policy each week. Had to write a paper each week that was restricted to 2 pages. Learned how to write and think a lot mroe tightly. and learned about historians tendancy to manipulate history and its interpretation based on supporting present day political objectives. History majors (I was not one) all took a proper historiography course.

Oh, sorry, but your last paragraph just screams out for a pat on the head smile...

Jack_www · May 9, 2002, 15:43

Like all other countries in the world the United States has done many bad things. Slavery, then segeration, and hate toward immigrants (even though the US is a country of immigrants). During times of war there have been many examples of civil liberities being resticted, War of 1812, Civil War, World War I and II, the list goes on. During the Cold War US backed dictators, as long as they were against communism, they didn't care what kind of government they had or what they did, and it might happen again in thei "war" on terror. This is just the sad truth of reality. Humans have been oppessing each other for thousands of years, and the US has not been any different. Allthough if you compare US to other countries, we do enjoy more freedoms here than in most parts of the world.

Ethelred · May 9, 2002, 17:25

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Originally posted by GP
your avatar speaks to this...

Thats Bettie Page. Famous model in the 50's. Her revived popularity is largely due to Dave Steven's Rocketeer comics. She is now an old lady living in Valley area of Los Angleles.

I can do without her bodage photos myself but there was huge censorship stink in the 50's and she had to testify in a Senate witch hunt hearing. Most of the bondage stuff was destroyed by Irving Claw in a plea bargain with the Feds. He couldn't afford to fight it in court.