May 15, 2002, 15:23
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First results in from Dutch elections: we're @#$%ed
First results: Christian Democrats are the real winners, so we can kiss goodbye our euthanasia laws, lax drug laws and everything else that makes our small place on earth a special place...
A dead man that left behind a political party with no program and no experienced people becomes leader of the second greatest party...
Social Democrats have the smallest amount of votes since WW2...
Same goes for the Liberals (for Americans: Conservatives  )
One positive point: the Socialist Party doubles it's seats in parliament, 5 before, 10 now 
In short, we won't get a government that will last the full four years...
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May 15, 2002, 15:26
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Christian Democrats? From what you describe that sounds like a real step backwards. If they try and take back your rights that you have fought for all this time, take to the streets!
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May 15, 2002, 15:27
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hehe silly dutch. I dont understand how it all works, coalitions, break-up governments after awhile. You call our system stupid?
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May 15, 2002, 15:28
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It won't matter, they won the election  .
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May 15, 2002, 15:33
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Originally posted by faded glory
hehe silly dutch. I dont understand how it all works, coalitions, break-up governments after awhile. You call our system stupid?
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Yep, maybe not stupid, but definitely undemocratic... Just two parties which are (at least from our pov) undistinguable (sp?)... Over here there is no way one party will get a majority so every one who wants to get in has to compromise, so it is guaranteed that everyone's opinion is reckoned with...
Until now that is, over here we "live in interesting times"...
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May 15, 2002, 15:34
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Speaking about Dutch politics, the name Ruud Lubbers always gave me a bit of a giggle 
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May 15, 2002, 15:36
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PH, how about Kok?
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May 15, 2002, 15:37
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Na, I think you guys are just a bit ignorant. Thats why you call it stupid. It isnt just 2 partys. Its many parties lumped into two.
Republicans are just a coalition of Fascists, Conservatives, Traditionalists, and Moderates. Dem's are all that and to the left. If your a communist, you could join the communist party. But that only has 10,000 members.....soo your better off joining the democrats and reforming the party within.
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May 15, 2002, 15:37
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Don't worry, Heij, I predict new elections within 18 months
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May 15, 2002, 15:38
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Speaking about Dutch politics, the name Ruud Lubbers always gave me a bit of a giggle
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PH, you know I always loved you, so please don't spam my thread, okay? I only start threads about things I care about so leave this one alone... 
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May 15, 2002, 15:38
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how does a government break up? Do political blocks break off until there is no majority. Enlighten me.....
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May 15, 2002, 15:40
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Originally posted by faded glory
Na, I think you guys are just a bit ignorant. Thats why you call it stupid. It isnt just 2 partys. Its many parties lumped into two.
Republicans are just a coalition of Fascists, Conservatives, Traditionalists, and Moderates. Dem's are all that and to the left. If your a communist, you could join the communist party. But that only has 10,000 members.....soo your better off joining the democrats and reforming the party within.
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I'm looking at it from a Dutch pov. Over here it's inimaginable that Fascists, Conservatives, Traditionalists, and Moderates would get together in one party.
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May 15, 2002, 15:41
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Yes... a government breaks when the coalition splinters.
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May 15, 2002, 15:45
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Originally posted by faded glory
how does a government break up? Do political blocks break off until there is no majority. Enlighten me.....
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If I understand you correctly, the answer is no...
A coalition breaks up when the parties that make up the government decide to break it up (great sentence, this one ) for electoral or ideological or whatever reason.
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May 15, 2002, 15:46
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As for "interesting times" - same here, same all over Europe. Alas, the peoples of the EU have lost their faith in the social democrats, so it means we're all being reverted into damn conservative bourgeois catholics.
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May 15, 2002, 15:46
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I wonder why such election results don't result in stability drops
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May 15, 2002, 15:48
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The dutch have built Contraception and Gai Controller. thats why
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May 15, 2002, 15:49
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Well what implications do the election of the christian democrats have on your role within the EU, I mean, they don't want to withdraw or anything do they?
It's scary though, as a population, you want to fight to block any attempt to take away those laws that make your country what it is today.
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May 15, 2002, 15:55
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What is it, PH? A bunch of centrist puffs?
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May 15, 2002, 15:59
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Well what implications do the election of the christian democrats have on your role within the EU, I mean, they don't want to withdraw or anything do they?
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Nothing to worry about...
I forgot to mention gay marriage in my first post 
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May 15, 2002, 16:04
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They have it in for gay marriage? Sheesh, I think the Netherlands like it is is a good example, you provide a lot of inspiration to other countries in what their laws should be more like.
I would hate to see all the work undone
And Andy, considering I am on the opposite side of the spectrum, the seem all the more right-winged to me.
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May 15, 2002, 16:06
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I recall making the statement in an earlier debate that there was a world-wide swing to the right...not that that's really a good thing, but I'm slowly being proven right 
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May 15, 2002, 16:07
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Re: First results in from Dutch elections: we're @#$%ed
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Originally posted by Hueij
First results: Christian Democrats are the real winners, so we can kiss goodbye our euthanasia laws, lax drug laws and everything else that makes our small place on earth a special place...
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Relax... There will be no majority to abolish those laws.
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May 15, 2002, 16:08
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Originally posted by Hueij
Yep, maybe not stupid, but definitely undemocratic... Just two parties which are (at least from our pov) undistinguable (sp?)... Over here there is no way one party will get a majority so every one who wants to get in has to compromise, so it is guaranteed that everyone's opinion is reckoned with...
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That's why it usually works out that one party is in the executive and the other party controls the legislative branch. It's when one party controls both is when we have to worry 
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May 15, 2002, 16:09
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
They have it in for gay marriage? Sheesh, I think the Netherlands like it is is a good example, you provide a lot of inspiration to other countries in what their laws should be more like.
I would hate to see all the work undone
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Sorry, we just decided that we like 50's morals and xenophobia better... Better look for another example...
Man, I hate this...
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May 15, 2002, 16:09
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Well what implications do the election of the christian democrats have on your role within the EU, I mean, they don't want to withdraw or anything do they?
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Nothing to worry about...
I forgot to mention gay marriage in my first post
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But if the #2 party was founded by a popular, albeit dead, gay man, how in the world would they manage to reduce gay rights and still maintain a viable government?
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May 15, 2002, 16:09
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Will Europe be a right wing hellhole in 5 years?
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May 15, 2002, 16:09
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Well, they have been in every coalition government from 1918 to 1994, and according to the BBC:
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The party has adopted a more liberal attitude to social issues...
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It can't be so bad can it?
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May 15, 2002, 16:11
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IW, this is a question of political confessions and principles 
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May 15, 2002, 16:15
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It can't be so bad can it?
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It can... According to the polls as of now the CDs have 41 of 150 seats in parliament. Next is the LPF (Fortuyn's party) with 26. It's the CDs that are calling the shots now and after the new euthanasia law was implanted they fought it all the way to the European Parliament. Their opposition against gay marriages was almost as fierce...
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