The Sensible Majority Believe US And Europe Need To Work Together

[Stefu]

Oh, and:

Originally posted by Chris 62
The USA never did this:
http://www.nizkor.org/
Nothing you say will ever erase this stain, and you keep it up to this day, except you hide it now as "support for Palestians" (whom you never gave a f*ck about previously)

http://www.godwinslaw.com/

[Gatekeeper]

Stefu:

Well, the sure as hell succeed at setting me off sometimes.

Gatekeeper

[Stefu]

What about a thread on the relative merits of Finland?

Oh, come on. You know it, I know it - any thread like this, on this forum, would only lead to people talking about how to best kill all Finns. Especially if I started it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, it might lead to a talk on Nazis *shrug*.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by el freako


Remember that the land Israel exists on was previously owned by Europeans - so we were the ones who gave them that country - it certainly wasn't the USA.

Or do you come from an alternate reality? (or more likely an altered mind-state )

Actually I don't think that the land Israel was created on had belonged to Europeans since the Crusades. Wasn't Palestine actually a League of Nations Mandate or Trust given to the British to administer?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by lil Arafat
hehe, now I'm a racist

I'm glad you finally admit it.
Your family is from Pakistan, right?
You never once critize the actions of the muslims, you always go on how the jews are wrong.
Yeah, your not racist in the least.

The only reason Chris isn't on my ignore list is for comic relief.

An odd quote, since the funnist things said on poly are by you, but only when your trying to speak seriously.

Want real laughs?
I used to defend you to people, say he "isn't that bad", so we now see the joke was on me afterall.

Stefu

The holocaust is directly linked to Europe's attitude, putting up a cute site is nice, but as usual, it cheapens what was done in those years past.

There is no debate because I won't let lil Arafat and his friends say whatever they feel like.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You never once critize the actions of the muslims, you always go on how the jews are wrong.

Hey look! Someone who doesn't know how to read?

Illiterate? Perhaps so .

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Actually I don't think that the land Israel was created on had belonged to Europeans since the Crusades. Wasn't Palestine actually a League of Nations Mandate or Trust given to the British to administer?

Please don't turn this into another mid-east thread.

The answer is yes, it's well documented.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Quote:

You never once critize the actions of the muslims, you always go on how the jews are wrong.

Hey look! Someone who doesn't know how to read?

Illiterate? Perhaps so

Talking to yourself again dear boy?

Or must I pull up your "Jenin massacre" thread again?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Continental ?
Britain isn't the land of angels.

Compared to the recent goings on in Continental Europe, the UK is a veritable model of stability and sanity.

Roland: I wouldn't have guessed that the troubles of a MS CEO would have made news in Europe. How is it playing there?

[Arrian]

*sigh*

Typical evolution of these types of threads. Start with a pro-USA post. Wait for the anti-USA Euros to show up. Wait for USA#1! people to show up. Watch flamewar.

-Arrian

[Stefu]

The holocaust is directly linked to Europe's attitude, putting up a cute site is nice, but as usual, it cheapens what was done in those years past.

No. What cheapens what was done in those years past is trying to link current European attitudes with Israel with it. In general, bringing up the Nazis is almost always a cheap debate trick and usually smacks of desperation.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
*Ahem* USA! USA!

Oh, and yes, saying Europe is anti-semetic is a moronic and idiotic thing. Which means, having Chris saying it is par for the course.

I wonder why you (Roland, I mean) don't just block him. He doesn't say anything really interesting to you, and he just trolls about how all of your Euros hate Jews.

I've never understood what Chris's fascination with calling the whole of Europe antisemitic. He just comes across as a clueless buffoon when he does it though - more fool him.

And welcome back paiktis, tail firmly planted between your legs

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Stefu
No. What cheapens what was done in those years past is trying to link current European attitudes with Israel with it. In general, bringing up the Nazis is almost always a cheap debate trick and usually smacks of desperation.

I beg to differ, Stefu.

It is evasion to try and say "cheap debate trick".

The desperation is coming from the other side.

How?

Easy.

The holocaust, Nazism, european anti-semitism, the current mid-east problems and Israel are all directly linked as cause and effect, in this fashion:

Anti-semitism begets Nazism, Nazism brings foward the Holocaust, the Holocaust excelerates the birth of Israel, the birth of Israel brings forth Muslim animosity.

You cannot escape it, and in fact, despite the constant deniles, there is a Neo-Nazi movement in Germany and in many other European countries.
http://www.ekran.no/html/nazismexposed/
http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/dec00/04_51_012.html

It's there for all to see.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I've never understood what Chris's fascination with calling the whole of Europe antisemitic. He just comes across as a clueless buffoon when he does it though - more fool him.

And when did I do that Richard?

What perplexes me is this constant evasion of facts by a number of the younger folks here.

I can understand Imran, the boy is a know-it-all by nature and can't be objective, he's shown that on a number of occausions.

You, on the other hand, show a propensity towards insulting and cheap remarks towards women, what, pray tell, is your reason for that?
That, dear sir, is buffonery of the highest order.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Or must I pull up your "Jenin massacre" thread again?

Sorry, didn't know I was supposed to critisize Muslims for having their homes knocked down .

Of course my critiques of Iran and Taliban regimes don't count, and all the times I've said in the ME thread that I don't believe Muslim states should exist either.

Yes, we know you have selective memory, but you should just give it up. Most people put you on the level of Giancarlo. What's a matter, WTC screw up your brain? You used to be such a nice guy before.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Chris 62
You, on the other hand, show a propensity towards insulting and cheap remarks towards women, what, pray tell, is your reason for that?
That, dear sir, is buffonery of the highest order.

I beg your pardon? On what grounds do you make such a slander? Do you intend to back it up?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course he doesn't Rich! You know him. Baseless hysterics against anyone that doesn't tow his line.

[Provost Harrison]

He really should lay off smoking that crack

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I beg your pardon? On what grounds do you make such a slander? Do you intend to back it up?

Duck and cover richard?

Have you forgotten your comment to Ming so soon?

How about your rape jokes last year in that thread about the guy who raped the girl in Mexico?

Slander?

Try again.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Duck and cover richard?

Have you forgotten your comment to Ming so soon?

Ah yes, the sand in the vagina comment. You are referring to this rebuttal I presume?

Rather sexist remark, don't you think Rich?

Are you implying that to close a thread is girlish, and that it automatically indicates that women make poor choices?

Rather hauty attitude, considering your rather limited knowledge of the opposite sex, don't you think?

Talk about poor logic. How on earth did you make those leaps. Ever considered a career in creationist science?

How about your rape jokes last year in that thread about the guy who raped the girl in Mexico?

Slander?

Try again.

Now I have no recollection whatsoever of that thread...you must have the wrong man.

Now withdraw your comment.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by little Arafat
Sorry, didn't know I was supposed to critisize Muslims for having their homes knocked down

Same ol excuses from you.

Of course my critiques of Iran and Taliban regimes don't count, and all the times I've said in the ME thread that I don't believe Muslim states should exist either.

Funny, I looked at some of your remarks and that seems to be conspicusly missing.

Yes, we know you have selective memory, but you should just give it up.

Imran, little boy, personal attacks on this level are pedantic, but I'm sure it's the best you can muster.

Most people put you on the level of Giancarlo.

HA HA HA HA HA
Little Arafat has spoken!

What's a matter, WTC screw up your brain?

Crude, even for you

You used to be such a nice guy before.

You used to be a boy who was worth talking too.
Sadly that isn't the case any longer.
Isn't it interesting that your attacks on me only started when I critized those who knock Israel?

[Saint Marcus]

Add Greece to the Axis of Evil!

aren't they already?

In case some of you j*ck*ss Europeans haven't realized it yet, Osama bin Laden hates your guts and has you in his sights for "supporting" America's war on terrorism.

Bin Laden only mentioned Britain in his latest video. And we don't care much about that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Talk about poor logic. How on earth did you make those leaps. Ever considered a career in creationist science?

Logic isn't his strong point.

And Chris, I started critiquing you right after you were whining about the Fantasy Baseball League. I started to realize that Peacemaker was right about you.

[Ned]

The way I see it, 95% (100%) of the America-bashing is coming from EU leftists. There is not one single EU person that I can recall that has a decent thing to say about Bush. If the posters here really represent EU society, then there is a real and growing gulf between the U.S. and the EU.

I would classify a significant number of EU nations as "hostile" to the US based solely on the posts here. The Dutch, the French and Greeks are openly hostile. In this atmosphere, a real diplomatic break is in the works.

Hopefully, the more hostile countries will simply save us the effort of booting them out of Nato and withdraw voluntarily. Then the continental EU counties would be free to form their own anti-US alliance. Wouldn't you guys really love that! Embargo the US!

This does seem to leave the UK on the outside looking in because the UK clearly is pro-US. We seem to be on a path of rebuilding Napoleon's Europe, united and hostile to the UK and to the US.

If this all happens, and it seems to be happening, the alliances will shfit once again. The UK, USA and I predict, Russia will be allies with a Franco-German-dominated EU allied on the other side.

Blair sees it coming. So do I.

Ned

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
If you succeed, it might buy you a few years before a truly resurgent Islamic fundamentalist explodes across a brow-beaten Europe.

I predict it will begin in France.

France Islamic fundy? The same France that came within a gnat nadger of voting in La Penn?

[Immortal Wombat]

Ned
The posters are almost certainly not representative of the EU at all. Of the countries you mention, I count 4 or 5 dutch OT posters, one french, and two/three Greeks. (No mention of the legions of Finns...) This is a pretty small sample size to be drawing any sort of conclusions.
Weigh in the fact that this is a) a Civ site, b) an english-language site, and most non-Anglophiles here will be educated enough to speak english fairly fluently, and play Civ (Civ gamers seem to be on average of higher intelligence than the general public) and affluent enough to own a PC, and with enough lesuire time to surf a net forum. Your looking at a middle-class young representation of the population. Which adds up to a great deal of lefty idealism, enough cynicism to criticise as eloquently as anyone you can hope (?) to meet, and the mischeiviousness of youth to poke fun at the Yankees at every opportunity. And rightly so. I enter the same category btw.

But this isn't a true representation. Many Europeans, you will find, simply counted give a monkeys bollock what America does, as long as it doesn't affect them.

What I think occurs in this kind of thread (I hesitate to use the term 'debate') is that EU trolling is too much for certain people to take at certain times, and as reactions get more and more intense, so the fun increases (second basic principle of 'trolling').

The UK is growing closer to Europe, Blair wants a referendum on the Euro within the next two (I think) years, and the whole Spain/Gibraltar is to 'form closer links with Spain within the EU'. But at the same time, Europe is increasingly right-wing (France, Netherlands, recently, and Spain, Italy, Austria etc already...) and though its not a political scene I like particularly, its one that is here, and maybe European thinking will come into line a little more with US thinking in the future. Unless of course, the USA insists on acting the "screw-the-world" character that it currently is.

[Immortal Wombat]

Chris
Serious question, are you on medication or seeing a shrink?
I frequently (read never) see eye-to-eye with you on so many issues its not true, but pre-September last year, you always came across as a sensible, highly intelligent person. After that you came across as a highly intelligent, very angry person, and then in Novemberish time, you started posting on FFZ and CG, and calmed down considerably. Yay I though, Chris is returning to sanity. Good for him.
But.
For goodness sake stop posting in this thread, and go back to 100-0ing Venom and rating singers. You just look a complete idiot from start to finish.
There is no evidence of anti-semitism in Europe since 1945. Should we bring up slavery again to claim racism in America? How far back do we have to go to reducio ad absurdum you? At present, your argument holds less water than an imaginary lead seive.
I'm not going to start debating it. Stefu's link has a point. If you can bin Laden was a fanatic with no logic behind his actions, it is perfectly justified to do the same with Hitler. The Nazis are dead.

[Ming]

Many... Many... Many complaints received on this thread...
It sounded more like he said this and she said that...

Tisk... Tisk...

You can blame the children for getting this thread closed down.
They are going to have to learn how to play better together

Case Closed.

And if I see these arguments continuing in other threads, I'll just have to ban the whole bunch of them, and sort it out later after they have learned how to act like adults.