India threatens war - Page 2

Arrian · May 22, 2002, 14:17

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And because Arafat was democratically elected, and fairly.

Yeah, and if you believe that, I've got this bridge I'd like to sell you...

-Arrian

Saint Marcus · May 22, 2002, 14:54

the election were considered fair by international observers.

My Wife Hates CIV · May 22, 2002, 15:05

Big talk from both sides. Will one use nukes???? Who has the balls! Myself, I see both sides not willing to use a nuke no matter what. I think the world would not take well to something like that.

Imran Siddiqui · May 22, 2002, 15:07

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how can muslims dislike the Islam?

I dislike Islam, St. Marcus.

SlowwHand · May 22, 2002, 15:08

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Originally posted by red_jon
They, like many third world countries, were used as porns by the US and USSR in the Cold War.

Used as porns? Is that what this is all about?

monkspider · May 22, 2002, 15:45

this is absolutely horrible, I really don't like the sounds of India's call for a "decisive" battle over kashmir.

OneFootInTheGrave · May 22, 2002, 15:52

What is the nuclear capability of the two countries. I think that India is more advanced in that respect.

Do you know that there is more Muslims in India than in Pakistan, India is the second biggest muslim country in the world. So Pakistan would very likely be killing their own if they make a nuclear strike.

Ned · May 22, 2002, 16:10

What I do not understand is what is India's objective? If they did defeat Pakistan and take over, they will set off a Muslim/terrorist resistance that will make the Middle East look pale by comparison. There only alternative is to give up their claim to Kashmir.

Again, what I think needs to be done is that the people Kashmir should vote on what they will like to do. India, Pakistan and China should all agree to abide by the outcome.

Saint Marcus · May 22, 2002, 16:20

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I dislike Islam, St. Marcus.

can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?

Imran Siddiqui · May 22, 2002, 16:27

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can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?

If the Jews can claim ethnicity, so can Muslims

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The Viceroy · May 22, 2002, 16:28

I heard a BBC report this morning stating that India has over 40 Nukes, and Pakistan 20. India has a much better long distance delivery system than PAK does and also has the ability to increase the yeild somewhat ..

Pak could reach Delhi, but Bombay is just out of range of Pak .. However all Pak's major cities happen to be next to the Border ..

Pakistan would not stand a chance in all out war, but nobody would gain from such an action, the people of Kashmir would still wish to be independant of either power, and India would not want to rule Pak.

So its my opinion that the status quo will be maintained .. better the devil you know .. than the devils you don't

Jac de Molay · May 22, 2002, 16:39

I'd like to know why the West is just sitting by and letting tensions boil over. Where the hell is Powell???? or even the UN for that matter????

Kyle · May 22, 2002, 17:13

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Originally posted by DetroitDave
I'd like to know why the West is just sitting by and letting tensions boil over. Where the hell is Powell???? or even the UN for that matter????

Erm, we're in daily contact with Pakistan and India and an Assistant Secretary of State will arrive in the area quite soon.

Do you honestly think everyone is just sitting on their arses and doing nothing?

Arrian · May 22, 2002, 17:21

:waits patiently for someone to figure out how to blame the USA for this:

I agree that the "decisive battle" comment is scary. But I highly doubt either side will use nukes. That may be only because I find it hard to comprehend that anyone would be that stupid in this day and age, though.

Send in the UN, have a big vote with 3 choices: India, Pakistan, Independence. Not that either side would really want that, and not that I think the UN could really pull that off, but it's nice to think about.

As for US involvement, Dave, we're in quite a pickle. We owe Pakistan for the War on Terror, and have historically had poor relations with India. But as we all know, there are a lot of Islamic fundies in Pakistan who are willing to kill people to wrangle Kashmir away from India (or at least that's what they think they're doing). Musharraf says he's trying to crack down on the militancy, but India is claiming increased attacks which they blame on Pakistan. Tough one for us. Personally, I'd love to pass this one off on the UN.

-Arrian

Eli · May 22, 2002, 18:20

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

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can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?

If the Jews can claim ethnicity, so can Muslims

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Unlike Jews, muslims have not descended from one tribe.

Lonestar · May 22, 2002, 18:37

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Originally posted by Eli

Unlike Jews, muslims have not descended from one tribe.

I thought Jews were descended from twelve Tribes....

Bereta_Eder · May 22, 2002, 18:42

one tribe?

but jews are those that have a jewish mama.

so if i marry a jewish girl who is from, say, moldavia and i am greek the kids would be according to you jewish whereas they would in raelity be moldavian - greek

how's that for ethnicity? apparently jewish ethnicity is based not on blood/race (thank god) but on type of religion

Dr Strangelove · May 22, 2002, 18:49

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Originally posted by SlowwHand

Used as porns? Is that what this is all about?

Didn't I tell you that porn was bad? These countries should be concentrating on development and solving their very serious problems instead of wasting precious resources making smut for the purient interests of the superpowers. I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED. .........Oh, hmmmmmm.......I didn't know that position was possible. Oh my goodness, let me turn the page and......

KrazyHorse · May 22, 2002, 19:43

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Originally posted by Eli

Unlike Jews, muslims have not descended from one tribe.

Do you want to make a bet that German Jews have more genes in common with the inhabitants of Germany than they do with Iraqi Jews?

Imran Siddiqui · May 22, 2002, 19:43

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Unlike Jews, muslims have not descended from one tribe.

Neither have the Jews

. 12 tribes is the myth, and even Natan admits that there are various different ethnicities that make up the Hebraic Jews.

Felch · May 22, 2002, 23:00

Yeah, but it was one nationality circa 10-7th century BC. It also is not an active missionizing faith.

Islam and Christianity on the other hand, consider it their holy duty to expand their faiths to the entire world. Hence they are multi-national, and not in the least bit ethnic.

If Irish or French is ethnic, and they are conglomerations of Gauls, Romans, Norse, Germans, and others, then there is no reason to say that Jewish can't be ethnic just because there were other tribes included beyond the original twelve, assuming they ever existed.

In this case however, India is about as democratic as Israel. There is intense favoritism given to Hindus over Muslims and Christians especially, the Financial Times had a feature on it around a week and a half ago. India's fundamentalist government is bigoted just like Israel's, but they are both democratically bigoted.

Eli · May 23, 2002, 05:18

Most of the tribes went caput when the kingdom of Israel had fallen.
The only tribe left, in significant numbers, was Yehuda, Jehuda, Jews.

Az · May 23, 2002, 05:32

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Do you want to make a bet that German Jews have more genes in common with the inhabitants of Germany than they do with Iraqi Jews?

actually, genetically, most jews have shown to have distinct genetic heritage. In any case , nations arise from far more than any genetical and racial definitions.

Urban Ranger · May 23, 2002, 08:39

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Much as I'd love to blame the Brits for this, they did not parition Kashmir.

Pah.

They partitioned India, which is the root cause of the problem there.

Saint Marcus · May 23, 2002, 08:47

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caput

kaput

Tolls · May 23, 2002, 08:59

"Pah.

They partitioned India, which is the root cause of the problem there."

Double Pah!

They partitioned themselves.
Britain merely gave them the option...states were given the choice of being part of a Muslim state or not.
The chap in charge of Kashmir at the time took rather a long time to come to a decision, before eventually going for India.

Urban Ranger · May 23, 2002, 10:02

Triple Pah.

They did not partition themselves, if not for the British being politically biased towards the Hindus.

Tolls · May 23, 2002, 10:15

Would you rather there had been no option and that the East and West had been forced to stay in a union with the rest of India?

(oh...Quadruple Pah!

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Stefu · May 23, 2002, 10:15

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They, like many third world countries, were used as porns by the US and USSR in the Cold War.

Come on! Even a superpower needs certain type of relief now and then.

(And you could be sure that India and Pakistan were Freudianically slippery.)

When a superpower masturbates, does it mean kitten genocide?

Andrew1999 · May 23, 2002, 10:22

err...Quintuple Pah!

India's natural state is to be partitioned. A unified subcontinent is much more the exception than the rule. Even being in only three parts (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) is anomalous--it's usually been more like a dozen. There's a ton of distinct langauges, cultures and ethnic groups, with differences greater than those in the EU.