Ethnic Trees

dervish · May 27, 2002, 23:04

Would be nice to see these included into the game, eh?

GERMANIC TREE

ROMANCE TREE

I hope I didn't breach any copyright laws.

dervish · May 28, 2002, 01:52

Couldn't find anything on Afro-Asiatic, Altaic, Sino-Tibetan ethnic family trees. I miss Indo-Aryans as well.

SLAVIC TREE

URALIC TREE

dervish · May 28, 2002, 01:57

SINO-TIBETAN LANGUAGES MAP

Was unable to find any tree, may be, someone else can??

Got one finally....on the relatives of Jews and Arabs

SEMITIC TREE

Should be regarded wider as Afro-asiatics with Hamitics, Tchadics and Cushitics

dervish · May 28, 2002, 02:40

The biggest tree on Earth!!!

Marquis de Sodaq · May 28, 2002, 11:08

I love this stuff. How about the indian language groups?

Oligarf · May 28, 2002, 13:40

Nice indeed, but with what purpose would it be in the game? To make SCHISM more realistic or so?

Spiffor · May 28, 2002, 13:59

Very interesting. Now we are armed against those who think Arabs and Turks are the same !

But really, I love these ethnic trees. I didn't know that ethiopians were Semitic.

Purple · May 28, 2002, 15:19

These trees are great, but they are constructed according to linguistic theory. Turns out they are mostly correct, based on DNA studies.

I recall an article (in Scientific American?) on the latter studies. The colorful illustration was circular or spiral, IIRC. Does anyone else remember this?

Amesjustin · May 28, 2002, 20:56

I have always wanted to see a game that had this in it. Civolution would be a good name for it....

Nobody steal that!

Pythagoras · May 28, 2002, 22:28

Well if there were ever civil wars again ala civ 1, then this tree could be used to perhaps identify the civ breaking off from you, and hence it would make more sense then the egyptians declaring their independance from the chinese...

dervish · May 28, 2002, 23:03

Amesjustin,
Civolution is a good name!!! That's what I thought about yesterday when looking at these trees. There can't be that so many people speak and think about same too often - it's a sign from heaven, ya know.

To my mind the game should have as many trees as possible, without having to fear about PC memory being unable to handle all of them at the same time. Especially if we get rid of random map generator. What a relief!!! we can get.

See, the game already has Scientific tree, so why not have ethnic tree? Do we fear that it is not politically correct or what??

dervish · May 29, 2002, 01:22

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Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq

I love this stuff. How about the indian language groups?

When you say Indian languages you mean Indo-Aryan, right? As opposed to Indo-Iranian, which is closest relative to Indo-Aryan, but there are also Dravidians who live in Southern India and Sri-Lanka and little bit of Brahuis in Pakistan. They have no connection at all to Indo-Aryans.

dervish · May 29, 2002, 01:52

Indo-Europeans and the World

Non-Indo-Europeans and the World

dervish · May 29, 2002, 05:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Pythagoras
Well if there were ever civil wars again ala civ 1, then this tree could be used to perhaps identify the civ breaking off from you, and hence it would make more sense then the egyptians declaring their independance from the chinese...

You are right. This ethnic tree can be triggered to action only, and should be, to my mind, when your population becomes sort of unhappy with your rule and wants to separate and secede from your tyranic Empire or whatever rule for a number of reasons (here you can throw any reason thinkable and unthinkable within the game framework). And then on the other hand they hate to join your neighbours, so they wouldn't join them either, well, unless they have very high culture compared to yours. So, if your neighbours are not so advanced in culture and in science, and they are pissed off by your rule, they secede and form a nation of their own with coulpe of cities on your border. I think there were cases like that in the past. Of course you will try to do everything to win their favour back, here the ethnic tree could also be of value, it will recommend new names of your confederate nation or whatever.

dervish · May 29, 2002, 06:00

Strange as it may sound, this Ural-Altaic theory goes that nations as seemingly far from each other as Turkish, Mongols, Hungarians, Finnish, Koreans and Japanese are all distantly related to each other!!!

dervish · May 29, 2002, 06:14

If someone wants to get very detailed information on Indo-European languages family tree, please, visit http://www.danshort.com/ie/.

Oligarf · May 29, 2002, 14:23

Yes!!! It's great to notice that other people like the realistic splitting up thing. I can remember India separating itself from Carthage and more of the same in Civ II, how strange I thought. Dervish with such trees such game-concepts could increasingly become interesting. Send firaxis an e-mail I would say.

dervish · May 29, 2002, 22:28

Thanks, Oligarf
I think they understand it themselves, they are not dumbheads, are they?

dervish · May 29, 2002, 22:33

While we are on the subject of trees, what about religion trees and government trees?

dervish · May 31, 2002, 00:21

Here is a hot one for those who love Germanic languages.

Germanic languages

dervish · May 31, 2002, 00:33

Food for thought.....

found at:

Comparing Ural-Altaic, Dravidian, Sumerian languages

Space05us · May 31, 2002, 14:26

dervish you have a lot of time on your hands don't you? eiother that or you've been planning this

Miznia · May 31, 2002, 16:29

You know, once we can place units and cities, it will be possible to play on that last map.

dervish · June 3, 2002, 07:15

Has anyone of you guys ever played game called Ethnic cleansing, where you play current oppresed minorities like Kurds, Tamils, Basques, Corsicans, Chechens, Irish against their current respective opressors?? Or vice versa. Nice idea, eh?

dervish · June 3, 2002, 08:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Miznia
You know, once we can place units and cities, it will be possible to play on that last map.

Yeah except that this last map is not inclusive of all of us......

sorry for mistake - i edited

kring · June 5, 2002, 20:43

Hello Dervish.

You have an impressive amount of research. Keep up the good work.

dervish · June 5, 2002, 23:23

Thank you, big man. That's mainly what I collected on the web.

Gangerolf · June 6, 2002, 20:44

interesting stuff mate, although bit irrellevant civ-game-wise?

for even more language related stuff you should check out this site:
http://www.ethnologue.com/country_index.asp

Gangerolf · June 6, 2002, 20:59

it says the US has 176 living languages, russia 103, germany 25 and sweden 15, this is not counting immigrants' languages...

north korea has only one though

ranskaldan · June 6, 2002, 23:34

Aren't all these language groups?

Equating them with ethnic groups would be like saying that all English-speakers are Anglo-Saxon, which i believe a lot of us here wouldn't agree to.