Chretien begins forming his fascist dictatorship - Page 6

Asher · June 3, 2002, 02:03

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Canada's population is most dense in Ontario. (No, Asher I know what you are thinking and that isn't what I mean!)

Double entendre! I love it.

RedFred · June 3, 2002, 02:15

Er... what did I do? Show up and kill the debate?

Asher · June 3, 2002, 02:16

It ended a while ago.

KH dropped out because it was too late.

And now I've got a headache.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 02:20

I'm tired of arguing with Albertans. Oil fumes go straight to their heads.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 02:21

You're the one making no sense.

It's like arguing with a Frenchman...

notyoueither · June 3, 2002, 02:43

Sorry Fred. Moderation seems to be lost in the wind in this one.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 02:47

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Sorry Fred. Moderation seems to be lost in the wind in this one.

Moderation is for Ontarians. Full steam ahead!!!!

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 02:51

Which reminds me, is CG down for the rest of you too?

Asher · June 3, 2002, 02:52

Nope. Works just fine for me.

It's on your end. Probably in Quebec.

I blame Chretien.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 02:56

I blame Ralph Klein

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:01

Mine is bigger than yours.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 03:02

Klein is big on whores?

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:03

He doesn't need whores, he's King of Alberta. All the women throw themselves at his feet.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 03:04

Do they ever strike oil?

Is he a gusher?

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:05

Nah, he's big on natural gas though.

Tingkai · June 3, 2002, 03:34

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He went further on to describe his plans for how to revitalize the culture and economy of the region...

is that part of the quotes not important? I guess they aren't. All that matters is he identified a problem (which is blatantly obvious to ANYONE with eyes, albeit not totally politically correct and probably a slip of the tongue) and put forth a solution.

First off, The Maritime's culture is incredibly vibrant and it is in no need of revitalization.

Harper's comments were not a slip of the tongue because Harper repeated his comments.

As for why no one paid any attention to Harper's Great Plan for the Maritimes, the reason is simple. It is difficult for people to hear what you're saying if you have your foot in your mouth.

Harper fails to understand basic salesmanship. If you are trying to sell a political idea, you don't insult potential buyers. If you're trying to sell something to a fat slob, you don't tell the person he is a fat slob. If you're trying to get votes in the Maritimes, you don't insult them by saying they have a culture of defeatism even if it was true, which it is not. The Maritime provinces are doing better than they have in the past 25 years.

To make things even worse, Harper made his comments a few days after the Conference Board of Canada issued a press release stating that Nfld and PEI would have the strongest GDP growth in the country (5.8% and 3.8% respectively). New Brunswick and Nova Scotia are expected to have GDP growth of about 2.6 per cent.

So basically, Harper goes to a region where the economy is doing quite nicely, and tells them they have a culture of defeatism and that's why their economies are in the toilet. And the CAs wonder why no one likes them in the East.

The fact that Harper and his advisors can't figure this out doesn't bode well for the party's fortunes in the next election. And it also explains why even a guy like Chretien can retain power.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:39

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Harper goes to a region where the economy is doing quite nicely

Oh...okay then.

So let me run by these figures from StatsCan unemployment rate

Newfoundland: 15.3%
PEI: 11.2%
Nova Scotia: 9.8%
New Brunswick: 10.1%

There's nothing wrong with this economy?

To add insult to injury, the participation rate for the region is in the upper 50% region only.

Alberta's participation rate is 72%, highest in the nation btw...

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:43

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Harper fails to understand basic salesmanship. If you are trying to sell a political idea, you don't insult potential buyers.

When was the last time Chretien or the NDP said anything good about the West?

Now is not the time for you to be hypocritical. It's not good for your salesmanship and all.

KrazyHorse · June 3, 2002, 03:44

The NDP has most of its MPs from the West, Albertan.

They've got 4 in Man. alone, and they run the prov. gov'ts of Man and Sask.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:45

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The NDP has most of its MPs, from the West, Albertan.

They've got 4 in Man. alone, and they run the prov. gov'ts of Man and Sask.

I should clarify when I say the west: BC and Alberta

Manitoba and Saskatchewan are "have not" provinces and tend to vote left...

Tingkai · June 3, 2002, 03:54

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Originally posted by Asher
Oh...okay then.
So let me run by these figures from StatsCan unemployment rate
Newfoundland: 15.3%
PEI: 11.2%
Nova Scotia: 9.8%
New Brunswick: 10.1%
There's nothing wrong with this economy?

It's all relative. Nfld's unemployment rate fell 1.3 per cent in April M-o-M (-2.3% y-o-y). PEI's unemployment rate is down 1.2 per cent (-3.2% y-o-y). NB and NS relatively unchanged m-o-m, NB unemployment -1.4% y-o-y.

The employment rate in Nfld is at record levels.

So yes, all things considered, the Maritime economies are growing quite well.

Tingkai · June 3, 2002, 03:55

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Originally posted by Asher

I should clarify when I say the west: BC and Alberta

Manitoba and Saskatchewan are "have not" provinces and tend to vote left...

Are you suggesting the NDP routinely insults Albertans and BCers? Show me the quotes.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:56

So basically what you're saying is that while all other provinces have been setting record growth for the past decade, the Maritimes are almost catching up to where they once were, and ergo the region is fine?

Asher · June 3, 2002, 03:59

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Are you suggesting the NDP routinely insults Albertans and BCers? Show me the quotes.

The entire anti-Bill 11 ad campaign was a complete farce/insult/joke that lasted months and most of Canada is still brainwashed into believing the blatant lies Chretien and his government told of it.

I don't have any NDP quotes offhand because, being in Alberta, nobody cares about the NDP. But I do know they hate Alberta, and the local politician who spoke at my university went on a huge rant about Albertans being afraid of change and that's why Klein's still in power, etc.

Perhaps tomorrow when I have more energy I'll look them up on google. But they are there.

And it's not always words. For example, the complete lack of campaigning in Alberta on Chretien's part speaks volumes. And how he magically appointed Alberta as the spot for the G8 despite Klein telling him we didn't want it...

notyoueither · June 3, 2002, 04:03

This thread deserves a gasmaske.

But this is the best I can do right now.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 04:14

nye:

Anyway Tinkai, here's something for you to munch on in the meantime: http://www.onetenwest.org/Articles/t...eld010826.html

Tingkai · June 3, 2002, 04:16

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Originally posted by Asher
So basically what you're saying is that while all other provinces have been setting record growth for the past decade, the Maritimes are almost catching up to where they once were, and ergo the region is fine?

I never said that because I don't know what the GDP for the Maritimes was in 1990 and what it compares to today's GDP.

EDIT: Just looked up some stats.
Canada: nine years of GDP growth (decline in 91)
NFLD had eight years of economic growth in the 1990s (declines in 92 and 96)
PEI: eight years of growth (decline in 91 and 97)
Nova Scotia: nine years of growth (decline in 91)
New Brunswick: nine years of growth (decline in 91)

New Brunswick matched or exceeded national GDP growth in five out of 10 years, about the same for PEI. Four out of 10 for NFLD, three out of 10 for Nova Scotia.

It could be argued that the Maritimes should be doing much because their economies have much more room for growth.

The biggest problems facing economic growth in the Maritimes are the brain drain and the conservative culture in this region. Maritime entreprenuers routinely leave the east for better prospects in Ontario and the west. The conservative culture acts as a break on new ideas. These factors are changing, but remain influencial.

Tingkai · June 3, 2002, 04:19

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Originally posted by Asher
nye:

Anyway Tinkai, here's something for you to munch on in the meantime: http://www.onetenwest.org/Articles/t...eld010826.html

That article says that Alberta's wealth is only due to its natural resources (oil). That's rather insulting to all the Albertans who have worked their butts off creating wealth in the non-resource sectors.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 04:22

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To make things even worse, Harper made his comments a few days after the Conference Board of Canada issued a press release stating that Nfld and PEI would have the strongest GDP growth in the country (5.8% and 3.8% respectively). New Brunswick and Nova Scotia are expected to have GDP growth of about 2.6 per cent.

Well, it's not hard to grow something that's incredibly small to begin with is it?

Where are your figures from? The ones I found are slightly different (http://www.rbc.com/newsroom/20020430pec_nf.html)

Real GDP Growth by % for 2002-2003

1 Newfoundland 5.4
2 Alberta 4.0
3 Ontario 3.7
4 Quebec 3.6
5 Manitoba 3.5
6 New Brunswick 3.5
7 Nova Scotia 3.3
8 Prince Edward Island 3.1
9 Saskatchewan 3.0
10 British Columbia 2.0

While those numbers are kind of encouraging (hey! they're positive this time!

) they're hardly explosive growth. Newfoundland's number is very high, and ironically I suspect this is because of the oil and natural gas off the coast more than anything else that helps it.

Asher · June 3, 2002, 04:23

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Originally posted by Tingkai
That article says that Alberta's wealth is only due to its natural resources (oil). That's rather insulting to all the Albertans who have worked their butts off creating wealth in the non-resource sectors.

The article was primarily about Chretien throwing around the words "share" and "resources" in the same sentence. Which is extremely alarming to any Albertan who knows his history. Surely you would know that, right?