Civs included. Just the facts madam. - Page 2

Bereta_Eder · May 14, 2001, 19:42

Thank you SilverDragon

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
EGYPTIANS ARE IN
INDIANS ARE IN

12 confirmed - 4 to go. (16 civs will be included in CIV 3)

JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...ws%2Funits.jpg

INDIAN TRIBE IS IN(possibly Iroquois or maybe Sioux - see the thread for hints)

MONGOLS (open for debate, see leader in civ iii page of Apolyton)

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ancient · May 14, 2001, 20:04

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Originally posted by SilverDragon on 05-14-2001 07:27 PM
Egypt is in, and so is India. There are seven screenshots of leaders in Computer Gaming World:

Mao Tse Tung
An Egyptian pharoah
Abraham Lincoln
Caesar
Mahatma Ghandi
Joan of Arc
Elizabeth I

RRR its Mao Zedong why wont they change that!! pinyin!!! not wades!!

I think they have pretty much the same as in civ2, at least that what it looks like so far.

And about the Iroquois, the Iroqouis at its hight had only about 1 million people making it smaller than the Incas, Aztecs, Mayans or Sioux it had no identifiably unique units, its only unique features are it had a very advanced govternment and it was the first strong alliance between several tribes. So because of that I dont think it would be a good candidate for a Pre-made Civ.

Cyclotron · May 14, 2001, 21:00

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Originally posted by ancient on 05-14-2001 08:04 PM
And about the Iroquois, the Iroqouis at its hight had only about 1 million people making it smaller than the Incas, Aztecs, Mayans or Sioux it had no identifiably unique units, its only unique features are it had a very advanced govternment and it was the first strong alliance between several tribes. So because of that I dont think it would be a good candidate for a Pre-made Civ.

This is true, but the Iriquois were also the CIvilization closest to the Americans in power in Northern America... the Iriquois nation was the most organized and probably the largest united and coherent native american nation.

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JamesJKirk · May 14, 2001, 21:35

So do all these leader faces mean that we're losing the ability of the civs to be governed by people of either sex?

Shadowstrike · May 14, 2001, 22:59

Mark my words.... I bet that all the classic CivI civs will be in.

Maxxes · May 14, 2001, 23:08

Yeah the twelve civs so far were all in CIV1. So I bet The Mongols and the Babylonians are in too. Plus the one native american tribe... only one to guess about
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Lung · May 14, 2001, 23:24

I'll put my money on the Babylonians being in. Surely just one civ from the birthplace of civilisation would be an injustice to the history of civilisation!!

Ralf · May 15, 2001, 00:27

Check out the bluish samurai-looking unit in THIS SCREENSHOT. Can we conclude that the Japanese are in?
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Adm.Naismith · May 15, 2001, 10:23

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Originally posted by JamesJKirk on 05-14-2001 09:35 PM
So do all these leader faces mean that we're losing the ability of the civs to be governed by people of either sex?

They did the same with SMAC: you can customize leader name, gender etc. but you end with the same face. How silly! I chosed a female University Leader (Madame Curie, BTW) to give women their merits, but I get the same mad scientist with green/red glasses

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Lenius · May 15, 2001, 11:21

Personally if the Celts don't get in I think it is a crime, considering we go back further than the Romans. I would like to see us Welsh get in but sadly I think they've already got enough programming to do.

I'm sure the: Celts and Spanish will get in

and i'm pretty sure that is a picture of a Mongol (Genghis Kahn perhaps)

Some official words would be nice

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Patriqvium · May 15, 2001, 14:46

The Mongols are in... check the Genghis Khan screenshot at GameSpot.

Bereta_Eder · May 15, 2001, 16:27

I was 100% sure I needed some input though.
So, I agree with you guys it is the Mongol leader.

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
EGYPTIANS ARE IN
INDIANS ARE IN
MONGOLS ARE IN
INDIAN TRIBE IS IN(possibly Iroquois or maybe Sioux - see the thread for hints)

14 confirmed - 2 to go. (16 civs will be included in CIV 3)

JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_media.jsp?media=http%3A%2F%2Fwww .fgnonline.com%2Fmedia%2Fpc%2Fnews%2Funits.jpg

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VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned ULR. Ralf is pretty sure it's a long boat. After seeing it, I think it could be a trireme as well)

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Bereta_Eder · May 15, 2001, 16:36

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Ralf · May 15, 2001, 16:40

quote:

Originally posted by paiktis22 on 05-15-2001 04:27 PM
VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned ULR. Ralf is pretty sure it's a long boat. After seeing it, I think it could be a trireme as well)

Giving it a quick look, it reminds me strongly of an Viking longboat, but I cannot say that I am 100% in any way. It doesnt have any war-shields on the sides, neither the classic red-white sails. Also the prow & stern should perhaps be more sky-protruded. Ah well, we just have to wait and see...

Bereta_Eder · May 15, 2001, 16:53

[quote]Originally posted by paiktis22 on 05-15-2001 04:36 PM
A lot of people have said that all classic CIV I civs are in. I see this too and I agree to the proposition that this means that the Babylonians are in.
We still need hard evidence to include them in though.

Lenious, as things turn out I am very sceptical about the Celts and the Spanish. But still we have to find evidence (if there is any yet) to discover about the 2 remaining civs. I have no hard evidence for this but I'd bet my last drachma (much more subtler pronounced actually: thrahmee - th as in then) Babylonians are in.

We also need to find out which exactly the Indian tribe is.

SerapisIV · May 16, 2001, 09:21

quote:

Gamespot
"Suppose I have four elephants and my friend the Egyptian has no elephants--they want the elephants because they make people happy," Briggs explained.

The Egyptians are a civ in the game for certain now, not just an assumed CivI civ.
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Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 09:23

Thank you Serapis.

We had the Pharaoh leader. Now we have this. In Civ 3 we will have all these nice big egyptian cities for the taking

SerapisIV · May 16, 2001, 09:32

Where was the pharoah screenshot? Don't remember seeing that one

Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 09:53

It was in a computer gaming world review. There was a huge thread discussing the identities of the leaders that were on this article untill we were all sure which one was which. Later I'll try to find the URL and post it.

Serapis, the 14 confirmed civs of Civ 3 are 100% confirmed. No assumptions.
It is certain that these 14 civs will be in because we have clear cut undisputable evidence.

Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 13:28

Don't you think that minor and major civs will alternate between games?
Also the civs will be 16. Do the minor civs will be extra?

(I don't know, I'm asking)

SerapisIV · May 16, 2001, 13:32

I think that minor civs won't be given the extra effort of leader screenshots that major civs would have. How different can you make the various Germanic barbarian civs (likely minor civ candidates) that toppled the Romans.

For that reason I think the Native American leader screen shown is a major civ. Besides, since its first mention, we really haven't heard any talk of minor civs from Firaxis or magazine previews. Not even side comments

Maxxes · May 16, 2001, 13:34

When and where were those minor civs actually mentioned by Firaxis?
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Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 13:35

Do minor civs exist?

SerapisIV · May 16, 2001, 14:05

quote:

Originally posted by Maxxes on 05-16-2001 01:34 PM
When and where were those minor civs actually mentioned by Firaxis?
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Couldn't tell you, I think it was something from a mag preview. Despite all of our debates, Firaxis has actually said very little at all about Civ3 to begin with.

Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 15:05

Serapis, unfortunately I can't find the URL with the civ leaders. maybe SilverDragon remembers?

Or can Dan or Mark help us out on this? (I searched Apolyton but didn;t find it)

Al'Kimiya · May 16, 2001, 16:33

Since the 7 civ limit hasn't been confirmed I was wondering, has the total of 16 to chose from really been confirmed by any Firaxian?
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Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 17:00

Check this: http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/pr...086175,00.html

Bereta_Eder · May 16, 2001, 17:04

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
EGYPTIANS ARE IN
INDIANS ARE IN
MONGOLS ARE IN
INDIAN TRIBE IS IN(possibly Iroquois or maybe Sioux - see the thread for hints)

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JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...tp%3A%2F%2Fwww .fgnonline.com%2Fmedia%2Fpc%2Fnews%2Funits.jpg

VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned ULR. Viking longboat?)

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Note: Gamespot say that Civ 3 will have 16 civs.

BUT, Firaxis Programmer Mike Breitkreutz said on this forum that «Firaxis has made no official announcement concerning the number of civs that may or may not be in the game».

I take this at face value: No official announcement about the number of civs you can SELECT FROM - AND - no official statement about how many civs will simultanously playing in the game.

So I removed the line on my previous post that said "16 civs will be included in Civ 3"

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Odin · May 16, 2001, 19:20

The Vikings better be in because they WERE the best seafarers is medivial Europe

Stefu · May 17, 2001, 00:50

BTW, considering that minor civs need to trade and have diplomacy with big nations and that their leaders will have pictures, quite many of "confirmed" civs might actually be minor civs. I'm mainly thinking of undefined "Native American" civ.