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Old June 11, 2002, 11:42   #1
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"I Didn't Want To Get Conscripted"
I was talking to the Kurd who runs my favouriote kebab shop last night, and he told me he fleed his country because he did not want to be conscripted.

Is he a legitimate immigrant?
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Old June 11, 2002, 11:45   #2
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"legitamate immigrant?" What do you mean? Are you talking about political asylum?

And it's fled, not fleed.

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If it looks like I'm about to get drafted I'M off to Canada...

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Old June 11, 2002, 11:48   #6
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Thanks Cali.

Aren't Germans conscripted? Should Britain await an influx of Germans who don't want to serve their coutnry?
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Last time I checked, Kurdistan wasn't a country, Stew... would you want to get conscripted by an army that's responsible for killing and torturing your own people?
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Re: "I Didn't Want To Get Conscripted"
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I was talking to the Kurd who runs my favouriote kebab shop last night, and he told me he fleed his country because he did not want to be conscripted.

Is he a legitimate immigrant?
Legitimate??

Is he a legal immigrant?

Or are you talking about if he deserves to be a immigrant in your country?
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Old June 11, 2002, 12:01   #9
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Old June 11, 2002, 12:07   #11
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Old June 11, 2002, 13:06   #12
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A classic own goal, I'd say...
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Old June 11, 2002, 13:26   #14
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Last time I checked, Kurdistan wasn't a country, Stew... would you want to get conscripted by an army that's responsible for killing and torturing your own people?
Answer his question.
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Old June 11, 2002, 13:28   #15
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If his own people include immigrants like myself (second generation, from Ireland), then probably yes.
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Congratulations! One of your ten stupidest threads on this site!

Try looking up what's happened to the Kurds over the past century.
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Oh come on Stewart, answer...

...as Iain has stated, the circumstances are completely different as he is a Kurd being conscripted by the Turkish armed forces. Slightly different to the Germans being conscripted by the German armed forces.

Deary, deary me. Next time I am in Aberystwyth I shall mention this thread to the kebab shop owner. Let's see if you'll ever have a kebab in Aber again
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison Deary, deary me. Next time I am in Aberystwyth I shall mention this thread to the kebab shop owner. Let's see if you'll ever have a kebab in Aber again
He will, just with "added ingredients"
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More like he's going to get that kebab shoved up his ass.
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Boddingtons is a bigot. I thought we'd established that?
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Is Stinky like this in the real world as well?
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Apparently he isn't.
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Old June 11, 2002, 18:27   #26
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I know that more than one country has mandatory military service-- Korea and Lebanon both do. Does anyone know any more?

I think the sentence, "I want to live here," is a legitimate reason for immigration, so maybe I'm biased, but I definitely think forced military service is a damn good reason to emigrate.
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I do as well. I sure as hell wouldn't accept conscription, unless there was a serious war from a serious threat.
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I know that more than one country has mandatory military service-- Korea and Lebanon both do. Does anyone know any more?
Where do you live man? In orbit or sth?

Most countries in the world have mandatory military service. Most EU countries do f.e. Israel (and I don't know who else) even has mandatory military service for women.

And of course my country does. It once was 18-21 months, but now it's down to 14 months, soon to be 12.
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"Where do you live man? In orbit or sth?"

I'd cut her some slack and just answer the question that was based on curiosity. Over the course of its history, the U.S. has rarely had conscription and none during my lifetime, so no "orbit" need be involved.

Edit: btw, I agree that in many cases this is properly considered under the rubrick of political asylum. I have a christian friend from a muslim country who knew that because of his religion, conscription meant a high likelihood of death fighting in the front lines against christians on the other side. He was granted asylum.
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