Gandhi

Ben Williams · June 18, 2002, 00:11

I was hoping they would fix this for civ3. Gandhi was never a political leader, he never held any elected office or had any official power. I can't stand seeing him being used as the leader in civ3 like this because most dumb Americans (like me) don't know any other prominant Indians. It makes no sense.

Pythagoras · June 18, 2002, 00:21

Im all for Nehru!

Willem · June 18, 2002, 01:36

It makes more sense than having Joan of Arc as leader for the French.

Nubclear · June 18, 2002, 04:40

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Originally posted by Ben Williams
I was hoping they would fix this for civ3. Gandhi was never a political leader, he never held any elected office or had any official power. I can't stand seeing him being used as the leader in civ3 like this because most dumb Americans (like me) don't know any other prominant Indians. It makes no sense.

I doubt that Firaxis will make another animated leaderhead for India.

delfino · June 18, 2002, 04:48

Anyhow Gandhi was a great leader for his people and surelly one of the "founding fathers" of what is India today. Heck, Gandhi was considered a leader even by some foreigners. That is more then we can say for most leaders who are really circunscribed to their own countries.

all the best
carlos

Dr. Stiby · June 18, 2002, 05:33

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Originally posted by Ben Williams
I was hoping they would fix this for civ3. Gandhi was never a political leader, he never held any elected office or had any official power. I can't stand seeing him being used as the leader in civ3 like this because most dumb Americans (like me) don't know any other prominant Indians. It makes no sense.

Feel free to make a few nice suggestions, instead of flaming Gandhi.

Carver · June 18, 2002, 09:08

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Originally posted by Pythagoras
Im all for Nehru!

Another vote for Nehru. Not only was he a great Indian leader, but he was a strong leader of the Third World and the Non-Aligned Movement.

Nym · June 18, 2002, 09:58

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Originally posted by Willem
It makes more sense than having Joan of Arc as leader for the French.

Yes. I would have preferred Louis XIV or Napoleon as French Leader.

Silvern Tiger · June 18, 2002, 09:59

That mistake is nothing:

The new maps of CNN --> http://www.unil.ch/auditoire/Images/cnn.gif

Silvern Tiger · June 18, 2002, 10:04

And I think Konrad Adenauer was the real first german leader.

Samudragupt · June 18, 2002, 11:53

Well if you are looking for some real leaders for India you would do better to look at the Maurya Dynasty (eg Chandragupt Maurya, Ashoka) or the Gupta Dynasty ( eg Samudragupt in particular). These were the original Great Indian Leaders and not that ass Nehru (Because of whose socialist policies India is still suffering). IMHO Gandhi's choice as a leader is hardly a quarter as good as say Ashok or any from the above mentioned dynasties.
To read about the maurya dynasty try
http://www.historyofindia.com/maurya.html
To read about the Gupta Dynasty try
http://www.med.unc.edu/~nupam/Sgupta1.html

It pains me to see how little people know about ancient India which more or less defines India as a nation and a society. For eg : the oldest known city in the world is not Mesopotamian or Chinese but Indian - found off the coast of Kutch is supposed to be 7000 years old or say Varanasi which is probably the oldest living city (i.e one where people still live).
Oh well life I guess.

Samudragupt · June 18, 2002, 12:17

Also while I have the stage I would like to point out that whereas some nations have more than one great wonder India has none . I dont think that it is because we have none but more so because they are not publicized enough. Anyway here are a couple of my picks
1. The murals of Ajanta Ellora
2. The university of Nalanda - the first in the world !
http://bihar.nic.in/Depts/Tourism/Nalanda.htm

and many others...
anyway thanks for your time

Ogie Oglethorpe · June 18, 2002, 12:43

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Originally posted by Nym

Yes. I would have preferred Louis XIV or Napoleon as French Leader.

Or even Charlemegne

Gangerolf · June 18, 2002, 14:01

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That mistake is nothing:
The new maps of CNN --> http://www.unil.ch/auditoire/Images/cnn.gif

Switzerland, Czech Republic - what's the difference anyway?

Gangerolf · June 18, 2002, 14:03

Yeah, Gandhi should be replaced. Either by Nehru or perhaps an ancient Indian leader? Don't know of anyone off the top of my head though

Spiffor · June 18, 2002, 14:47

Gandhi has some merit though. As many other leaders, he's a guy who stands for the independance and unity (well, he failed about unity

) of his nation. Just like Bismark, Joan of Arc, Tokugawa, Shaka etc.
With this in mind, Gandhi (and even Joan

! ) makes sense

ACooper · June 18, 2002, 16:28

Why does he have to be an elected leader. Wasn't he a "leader" enough in the independance movement? (And spiritually as well?)

MiloMilo · June 18, 2002, 16:51

What about Siddhartha? He founded Buddhism, one of the most widespread and enduring religious movements in history. (iirc he's already one of India's GLs.)

Space05us · June 18, 2002, 16:57

I think Washington should be the leader of America, as he was one of the most important people in American history. Abe Lincoln just happend to be there during the civil war, and just happend to sign a bill to free the slaves to fight for the north.

Pythagoras · June 18, 2002, 18:01

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Originally posted by Space05us
I think Washington should be the leader of America, as he was one of the most important people in American history. Abe Lincoln just happend to be there during the civil war, and just happend to sign a bill to free the slaves to fight for the north.

IMO Washington was a great moral leader. He could rally the troops and had very loyal followers. But he wasnt all that bright when it came to strategy/policy. Thats why I think Lincoln is ideal for both a level of brains and level of integrity. FDR might be a good choice too.

Space05us · June 18, 2002, 18:07

wouldn't it be funny if they made Dole or Clinton the leader

Ninot · June 18, 2002, 23:25

Ghandi and Joan were figurative leaders. and in Ghandi's case, hes popular, thats why I guess.

Abe is cool, but i woulda used one of the Roosevelts. Either one.

Capt Dizle · June 19, 2002, 00:45

I can't tell you how brokenhearted I was when one of the Firaxians said that Godzilla couldn't be the leader of the dino civ because of licensing issues. Darn it.

Ben Williams · June 19, 2002, 11:13

Even if Gandhi was the most popular figure in India, if he were running things they would never delcare war.

Nym · June 19, 2002, 13:11

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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe

Or even Charlemegne

Well, he was more Franc than French...