Can Someone Find Me a New Political Party to Join?

[Tuberski]

Why not, I vote based on deeds, not words. Saying and doing are two different things. Saying the words are what BOTH Dems. and Reps. are best at.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
This whole crap by Bush in the MidEast

What was it about his desire to declare a provisional Palestinian State that raised your ire?

BTW, I'm looking for a Political party to join. Does any have any ideas based on my posts?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Just like me =).

Welcome to the fold Vesayen, always glad to find more libertarians, even if small l.

We'll reserve a spot for you in the Montana cult ranch.

[OzzyKP]

btw Imran, I'm curious why you have such a support for foreign aid. How do you feel about domestic issues such as medicare, welfare and social security? Do you feel it is right for the government to tax one person to death and hand the money over to someone else?

If not, then what does it matter if the recipient is American or not?

[Sava]

There aren't any good parties. There's no use in voting from the inside... start your own and become politically active. Run in local elections, and claw your way to the top!

[Bosh]

Oh god, first I start turing into Snapcase when Imran starts turning into me You've just got to tack on gradualist onto your qualifiers and your journey will be complete

[Shi Huangdi]

You know Albert, I don't think you have helped anything. Imran has such a low view of you that if anything you telling him not to leave made leaving sound that much more attractive. The GOP doesn't need you as it's representative or recruiter.

[chequita guevara]

Imran, the thing about the Greens is, there's two of 'em. And what most people think about the Greens are really the socialist Greens. The main Green party is rather more moderate, though they are the one's that run Nader.

[Timexwatch]

If it's any consolation Imran, I stopped paying dues to the GW Campus Republican after they were trounced in several debates with the campus Dems. Most of them turned out to be Reaganoids...

[SnowFire]

See what college does to people? Turns them liberal...

Stop being silly AS. By modern standards of liberal, I'm quite a bit less liberal since I started college.

Anyway, Imran, I think I voted Libtertarian for about 33% of the positions last election (like that stupid Senate race between Corzine and the Republican! Didn't like either one...), but I'm sticking it out in the Dems to influence their primaries. I don't think there's a Peterist party out there, and although that with the curren state of the Dems I'm probably actually closer to the Libs than the Dems, Rex Little is kind of right. It's not the 5% of the platform I disagree with that's the problem, it's the general tone and justification. I do happen to think that there's a little bit more to government than just rights protection, so I wouldn't call myself a Libertarian- just one who has by now agreed with a reasonable amount of their positions. Or at least watched in horror as the Dems abandoned the positions closer to my views and wandered off down the path of silliness.

[Stefu]

As excepted, everyone recommends their own parties. How regular.

Considering that thanks to American electoral system there are two (2) parties with any kind of chance for success, you should stick with either one of them. Probably Republicans for you.

[Mikhail]

If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'?

I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right?

as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:

http://www.sp-usa.org/

Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.

I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.

"For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist"

[Imran Siddiqui]

btw Imran, I'm curious why you have such a support for foreign aid. How do you feel about domestic issues such as medicare, welfare and social security? Do you feel it is right for the government to tax one person to death and hand the money over to someone else?

I think we need welfare, social security, and medicare. I believe you CAN'T take those away! People depend on that when they lose their jobs or get old. You can reform it (for instance I want to change welfare a bit, where job training would also come from the government, rather than just checks).

So, yeah, my mindset gels with more foreign aid . And hell, better for my capitalist mindset . Richer people in 3rd World Nations, more of a market . And also they can create their own goods to compete and use comparative advantage.

Imran, the thing about the Greens is, there's two of 'em. And what most people think about the Greens are really the socialist Greens. The main Green party is rather more moderate, though they are the one's that run Nader.

I know . But I didn't like the Naderites. They were the wacky ones. I actually ran into a Green Senate candiate. I was packing up the Republican booth at Rock The Vote (where we were looked at like animals by the college people), when he came up to us, talked for a bit, and wished us luck. Really nice guy . Nader just brought in some loonies.

I do happen to think that there's a little bit more to government than just rights protection

Same here, Snow. Which is why I'm not ready to jump into the Lib Party yet (and Montana is too cold, make it Texas or Virginia or Florida, and I'm there ).

And Snow, what is that avatar of?

Considering that thanks to American electoral system there are two (2) parties with any kind of chance for success, you should stick with either one of them

Ah, but I don't like either now . I'll probably end up voting for more Republicans than Dems anyway, but I'd rather not be affiliated with the party.

If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'?

Depends on the Democrat.

I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right?

You have it exactly right.

[sparkplug]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Suckle from her whory, liberal teat, Imran... suckle and disown Allah...

Are you implying that Libertarians are liberal? As in Ted Kennedy liberal?

[SnowFire]

Well, if you look here, then you'll see two portraits at the top, and it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which one it is.

[Boris Godunov]

Imran, you are soooooo on your way to being a Democrat. I see it in the cards....bwahahahahaha

[Imran Siddiqui]

Only in your dreams, my homosexual friend .

I don't think the Democrats would like me anyway. I'd always start yelling for tax cuts and the death penalty and they'd kick me out .

[Boris Godunov]

Always bringing up the gay thing, aren't ya? You heteros are so obsessed!

The Democrats are beginning to embrace those very things. Certainly, only a small minority of elected Democrats are anti-death penalty. They're moving rightward, but are avoiding the isolationism permeating the GOP.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, I doubt they'd like the whole legalize drugs thing (the only Libertarians that have joined a BIG 2 party joined the Republicans). And I HATE big government, and teachers' unions .

I'd start talking about vouchers or charter schools and they'd really kick my ass out .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Mikhail
as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:

http://www.sp-usa.org/

Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.

I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.

"For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist"

That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.

Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.

The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.

Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either.

[Boris Godunov]

I didn't recommend mine either. But I don't have one.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Only in your dreams, my homosexual friend .

I don't think the Democrats would like me anyway. I'd always start yelling for tax cuts and the death penalty and they'd kick me out .

Democrats arent against cutting taxes - just we want to start at the opposite end of the spectrum from the GOP, thats all. How about cutting the social security tax, rather than the estate tax, and how about eliminating income tax on the people in the lowest brackets, rather than across the board cuts that give most to the rich?

LOTM

[chequita guevara]

Cut the social security tax? Are you mad!?! Or do you mean taxes on SS recipients?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.

Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.

The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.

Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either.

IIUC the DSOC are themselves the result of a split from the 1950's post Thomas Socialist party(not sure its relation to your SP-USA) which was taken over by "right wing" elements, who are now SD-USA, the social democrats, very close to the AFL-CIO. BTW DSOC still does not consider itself a party,and still operates withing the Democratic party (though unhappy with Clintonism) as does SDUSA.

For those who care, my own politics lie somewhere between SDUSA and Gore/Clinton New Democrats (DLC/PPI) DLC wont take issues of social class and economic justice as seriously as I would like, and SDUSA is too protectionist (needless to say this puts me to the right of Greens and proposed Labor party). So naturally Im sticking with the Dems, hoping New dems follow Gore's late 2000 lead toward populism.

LOTM

[Rex Little]

Why would it be "mad" to cut the Social Security tax, che? At the federal level, it's the most regressive tax there is.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Cut the social security tax? Are you mad!?! Or do you mean taxes on SS recipients?

Cut the social security taxes paid by workers, the largest and most regressive tax we have. Stop subsidizing the general budget with SS surpluses. If necessary fund any SS deficit out of the general budget -repeal Bush tax cut as needed.

Im sorry che, is that too radical for you? You did realize Im a lefty, didnt you??

LOTM

Social Democratic Party of Apolyton

[chequita guevara]

SDUSA (sedusa ), for all intents and purposes, no longer exists. They are even more geriatric than the Communists. Sweeny's victory in the early 90s marked a shift in the "party" leading the AFL-CIO from SDUSA to DSA. It's a shift in the correct direction, more activist, less willing to play patsy to the government's anti-communism.

[chequita guevara]

Social Security is going to start paying out more than it takes in in approxamately 15 years. SSN is the single most successful government anti-poverty program ever. Rather than cut the tax on lower income workers, it needs to have its $65K cap removed and should be taxed progressively, while distributed evenly.

It would have been nice if the Feds had put SS reciepts into some kind of savings account, but they didn't. It's still not too late to do so, and start repaying the recipts that have already been looted.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Democrats arent against cutting taxes - just we want to start at the opposite end of the spectrum from the GOP, thats all. How about cutting the social security tax, rather than the estate tax, and how about eliminating income tax on the people in the lowest brackets, rather than across the board cuts that give most to the rich?

I'd want both, cutting estate and SS tax. And BOTH, eliminating income tax on people in the lowest bracket and across the board cuts.

See why the Dems wouldn't like me?

They'd hate me for so vigerously supporting the Bush tax cut .

[Ramo]

BTW, I'm looking for a Political party to join. Does any have any ideas based on my posts?

www.cpusa.org