SMCs Plea to the People II

Inverse Icarus · June 20, 2002, 00:48

Tassadar believes the people are anti-war techs.

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10 people voted with the majority, which say "NO." (i treat each ooption as a seperate option)

7 people voted the wheel, and 5 voted each of the other options.

in refrence to this poll: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=53480

so im making it simplier, for good old tass.

Should we research an offensive war tech or two BEFORE going for long term cultural techs, or no?

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Panag · June 20, 2002, 01:19

hi ,

the people have just voted "NO" , now you ask them again, ....

,...
the faster we go on research the faster you shall get that army , dont worry , ....

have a nice day

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 01:43

We should risk the Wheel.

Horse may prove our saviours. Especially if those pests that eat the banana crop turn out to be them. Better they be domesticated!

Panag · June 20, 2002, 01:47

hi ,

iron , at least we see where it is , with them mountains , hill's after the jungle , and we could always trade it , ....

have a nice day

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 01:50

It's a crap shoot either way panag.

There is every chance there are horses right under our feet. Most starts have something. We have nothing, unless it is hidden horses. That would be sweet.

Panag · June 20, 2002, 01:54

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Originally posted by notyoueither
It's a crap shoot either way panag.

There is every chance there are horses right under our feet. Most starts have something. We have nothing, unless it is hidden horses. That would be sweet.

hi ,

imagine it would be under the city , ...

we shall have something , maybe coal , maybe uranium , ...who knows , ...

have a nice day

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 01:56

No panag. It is usually ancient resource or lux within 3 or 4 tiles of start. All it could be in this case is Horses.

Panag · June 20, 2002, 02:00

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Originally posted by notyoueither
No panag. It is usually ancient resource or lux within 3 or 4 tiles of start. All it could be in this case is Horses.

hi ,

, maybe even two , .......

if it would be horses , it would mean more commerce , ..
and a faster unit to sent out , ....

so , it should be horses first , iron next , ...

have a nice day

Panag · June 20, 2002, 02:05

hi ,

, what are all the options we have now , ....

have a nice day

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 02:32

We're researching Bronze Working (or so I've been told). Don't know how long until, but my guess is 15 or 20 turns. In other words, we have a while to decide.

Did I say a better report would be in order Mr President?

Nubclear · June 20, 2002, 03:25

Don't vote here! Vote HERE:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=53527

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 03:29

Poor form to discourage one poll for another Tass.

Nubclear · June 20, 2002, 03:32

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Originally posted by notyoueither
Poor form to discourage one poll for another Tass.

Oh well, can't blame me for trying can you?

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 03:33

Yes. I can.

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 03:33

However. Growing pains are to be taken into consideration.

Spiffor · June 20, 2002, 03:59

I voted NO, for the exact same reasons as before : our chances to have horses in our measly 6 tiles of grassland are near nil, given there are 25600 tiles on this map.
The only potentially useful military tech we should research is warrior code. However, attacking with archers will be unefficient.

BUT, researching alphabet (as Tass plans) will be the only way to galleys which, eventually, will be our friends. Galleys will probably be our saviours if we're actually on a jungle island.
The techs Tass plans to research are not "long term cultural ones" as UberKrux mentions, but are needed to progress in short term. I know Tass plans to research literacy, but he'll adapt his plan, when we know more about our surroundings.

notyoueither · June 20, 2002, 04:01

Spiffor, admit it. You disagree with me on principle.

Nubclear · June 20, 2002, 04:13

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I know Tass plans to research literacy, but he'll adapt his plan, when we know more about our surroundings.

Spiffor is correct.

Anyway, I vote no. Do I really need to explain myself?

Harovan · June 20, 2002, 04:20

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However, attacking with archers will be unefficient.

Wrong. A stack of 5 vet archers has a very high chance to take a city, defended with 2 regular spearmen (typical for the AI early on). I've done this many times. And crippling an AI, when it has merely 4-5 cities, before it succeeds to play out it's advantage in production, makes a big difference especially at emperor. Read: early oscillating wars, Vel's strategy basics. Waiting for horsemen can be waiting too long on higher difficulty levels, especially when the terrain is poor.

Harovan · June 20, 2002, 04:22

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Do I really need to explain myself?

If you want to be re-elected, yes.

Vlad Antlerkov · June 20, 2002, 06:47

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Originally posted by UberKruX
Tassadar believes the people are anti-war techs.

to quote:

in refrence to this poll: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=53480

so im making it simplier, for good old tass.

Should we research an offensive war tech or two BEFORE going for long term cultural techs, or no?

this post brought to you by supreme military commander UberKruX. Glory Comes From Spilt Blood.

The "NO" faction only had a plurality. Combined, the three "Yes" options beat out "No" by six votes.

Granted, a lot of this seems to be statistical error (only 32 voters). Is the poll closed yet?

Apocalypse · June 20, 2002, 08:29

I'm normally someone who wants to go culture all the way. But like I said before, the situation demands The Wheel. Everyone knows our start is terrible. Should we throw away the one possible advantage of our position and wait many turns until we see the horses?

Kuciwalker · June 20, 2002, 11:49

YES!

Uber, how do you do that font?

punkbass2000 · June 20, 2002, 11:58

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Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov

The "NO" faction only had a plurality. Combined, the three "Yes" options beat out "No" by six votes.

TRue, however the poll did not state that the yes votes would be aggregated when it was first opened.

punkbass2000 · June 20, 2002, 11:59

Oh, and if Trip's Official Polling Standards pass, I would think this poll would be considered a 'repoll' and become void.

Jon Shafer · June 20, 2002, 12:23

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Originally posted by punkbass2000
Oh, and if Trip's Official Polling Standards pass, I would think this poll would be considered a 'repoll' and become void.

It's already been passed. I'm going to have it added to the Constitution today. If someone is up to invalidating this poll, then I'm certainly willing to accept a vote.

civman2000 · June 20, 2002, 12:40

this is not a repoll, it is a clarifying poll. I never voted in the first one because I was not sure when the advances were going to be researched.

Inverse Icarus · June 20, 2002, 13:06

it's not my fault the science minister can't add...

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punkbass2000 · June 20, 2002, 21:46

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Originally posted by UberKruX
it's not my fault the science minister can't add...

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I'm not sure why you think he can't add.

Nubclear · June 20, 2002, 21:52

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Originally posted by punkbass2000

I'm not sure why you think he can't add.

One night in a chat room, I had awaken from a deep sleep. Uber pointed out to me that the people want military techs more than they wanted peace. Well, I began joking around and telling him that the majority was for peace (because ten beats seven)

Hence, he created this poll in order to tell me that the people are for warmongering techs.